Fleet Service topic IAM 141

[GoldenRam94]

Nice work!

 

[doing it on my knees]

Does anyone know when we are supposed to vote? How will the voting take place?

 

[AluminumEnemaTime]

Does anyone know when we are supposed to vote? How will the voting take place?

The ratification vote will be on Thursday May 8, 2008 from 6:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m. Check your local IAM bulletin board for further details

 

[Tim Nelson]

Click here for a copy of the rejected TA http://www.iam141.org/PDF/US%20Airways/IAM....FINAL.1145.pdf

Read articles 13 and 14 from the rejected TA , then go read Tims fake website and you can see the LIES for yourself.

Your like the wikepedia of aviation.

Obviously you can't read for yourself. You're looking in the wrong article. You get minus 2 pts for not following directions. Kindly let me 'red circle' for you bullet point number 32 from the rejected TA. Hint: You won't be able to call me a liar after your eyes are open my friend.
Kindly click your own link and go to the article under "Duration". Under that article you will read that the contract DOES ALLOW for the FULL restoration of FULL Sick Pay, 10 HOLIDAYS and HOLIDAY PREMIUM PAY. Hello anyone home over there? Puh Leeaassseee!

Next time you call someone a liar please make sure you read the whole language. Again, for those who can't read, this contract is a concession in the millions when compared to the one that was rejected. This contract restricts you to 7 holidays and NO HOLIDAY PAY, restricts you to the worst sick policy on the planet, worst vacation on the planet. One more time, the contract that was voted down ALLOWED for 10 holiday, Holiday pay, FULL Sick pay, shift differ, pension increase, full insourcing [this is a biggie that was lost], etc.

Aluminumwhatever, I don't mean to be rude but I can't waste any more of my time discussing this with you since this debate requires a basic ability to read. My audience is all fair minded people out there that can read. Whether or not they finally agree with me isn't my concern but I will get them the facts and information they need to make an informed choice. What I have said on www.joeypage.com/voteno is "Spot on" and backed up with objective facts. I apologize if I didn't cut and paste 'verbatum' the last contract, my hope is that those who are voting can click the last proposal and read it themselves and compare. I think most workers are smart enough to read for themselves the comparisons.


regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
appearances1@aol.com

 

[cltrat]

Obviously you can't read for yourself. Kindly click your own link and go to the article under "Duration". Under that article you will read that the contract DOES ALLOW for the FULL restoration of FULL Sick Pay, 10 HOLIDAYS and HOLIDAY PREMIUM PAY. Hello anyone home over there? Puh Leeaassseee!

Next time you call someone a liar please make sure you read the whole language. Again, for those who can't read, this contract is a concession in the millions when compared to the one that was rejected. This contract restricts you to 7 holidays and NO HOLIDAY PAY, restricts you to the worst sick policy on the planet, worst vacation on the planet. One more time, the contract that was voted down ALLOWED for 10 holiday, Holiday pay, FULL Sick pay, shift differ, pension increase, full insourcing [this is a biggie that was lost], etc.

Aluminumwhatever, I don't mean to be rude but I can't waste any more of my time discussing this with you since this debate requires a basic ability to read. My audience is all fair minded people out there that can read. Whether or not they finally agree with me isn't my concern but I will get them the facts and information they need to make an informed choice. What I have said on www.joeypage.com/voteno is "Spot on" and backed up with objective facts. I apologize if I didn't cut and paste 'verbatum' the last contract, my hope is that those who are voting can click the last proposal and read it themselves and compare. I think most workers are smart enough to read for themselves the comparisons.


regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
appearances1@aol.com

I thought this guy was M&R? heaven help us if he is working on our aircraft!

 

[700UW]

Tim,

You are comparing US to a non-union CO which CO can change the terms at any time.

Compare it to an airline that has undergone the same issues as US.

Like UA, NW, AA to get a clearer picture, CO's rampers, are employees at will, and had concessions forced upon them a couple of years ago.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I thought this guy was M&R? heaven help us if he is working on our aircraft!

IMO, this guy has two handles and you can pretty much guess what his other handle is.

The worst part about all this in regards to the Canale is that I'm just getting started. I spoke with Randy Canale's Local President today by phone and mentioned that it would be in the interest of the masses if me and Randy had a debate. I told him we could have it at Randy's convienence, his time, his date, his local. If he wanted to move it to CLT then that's fine also. I'd love to expose all of Randy's lies, yes Lies.

Let's hope that Randy has the balls to say yes to a debate. I don't think he does. He couldn't even look me in the eye the other day when I approached him. he knows he's screwing the masses over and I intend to expose him. He is no friend of Labor, or at least no friend of US AIRWAYS fleet.

Visit the good guys at: www.joeypage.com/voteno

regards,
Tim Nelson
Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

 

[cltrat]

BF,

First, Boss Canale as already said as such according to Mr. Negicrad who is also against this TA. I see little reason as to why Boss Canale would make such a comment, if it wasn't a warning. As far as I am concerned, his intentions have been clearly stated.

Second, if the West vote for the contract (as they most surely will) by a large percentage, then Boss Canale could say that he will honor the vote of the West as it does not directly affect the East in terms of their wages or benefits.

Third, Boss Canale and Parker could easily have a Gentlemen's Agreement and a common view regarding the state of the airline industry and its uncertain future. "Work with me on this and in a few years, I'll work with you on other issues."

Fourth, "DFR" might as well mean "Didn't Find Revenue" because people are too apathetic to privately donate money to this cause as the Section 6 DFR for West go anywhere either.


I'll ask a serious question... if you are wrong (along with so many others on this board) who predict that Boss Canale would "never" roll over West into the current IAM contract, and those rampers in those 18 cities immediately lose their jobs as they are no where near 56 mainline flights a week, how are you going to feel after you passed-up the opportunity to give them until 2011 and the reasonable standard of only 28 mainline flights a week as allowed within the TA? Who is going to allow those people to move in with them when they are jobless? You, Mr. Bagfather? Mr. Necigrad? Mr. Nelson? Mr. Orioleman? Mr. Dog Wonder? Mr. Mike? Mr. Perserverance? Mr. Roadtrip? Mr. Cltrat? And the many others I have overlooked.


I think it is a fair question for this "brotherhood" to provide a pledge list of available rooms (and not just bedrooms as living rooms and family rooms would count too) within your humble adobes as you are quick to play brinksmanship with jobs that are not yours for your own benefit. If you are wrong, then contrary to the claims of Mr. Necigrad, you aren't "saving jobs", but rather quite the opposite.

So Asks Jester.

Mr Jester

the "Boss" has cried wolf! many times before and he is here again
as far as a "Gentlemans agreement" between the Boss and DP that,s is doubtful for one in 40 or so days the Boss will clearly be gone and in a few years we may be airline X and DP has long since floated away in the AZ desert on his golden parachute holding millions so he's word is hardly worth much.

If i read correctly PHX does not care about those out sourced cities be it now or in 2011 as long as they get their money of course when they start getting bumped by senior people from those stations they may care

as for having room I may could handle Chill out he seems like a good guy however you and that musty bagroom sofa of yours takes up to much space for me

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

You are comparing US to a non-union CO which CO can change the terms at any time.

Compare it to an airline that has undergone the same issues as US.

Like UA, NW, AA to get a clearer picture, CO's rampers, are employees at will, and had concessions forced upon them a couple of years ago.

Thanks for the kind advice. I could have compared it to UA's bankrupt contract which is much better than Continental's. You're 100% right, Continental did lose some benefits, however, even though they got cut, their wages/benefits are still so so far ahead of what Randy wants fleet service to take. I think this Continental comparison opens eyes to what is fair and let's people know how 'hosed' they are getting with this Wal mart contract.
What's even more deplorable is that Randy Canale never even asked fleet what it wants and never surveyed them since the rejection. OTOH, Continental is surveying their workers and engaging them even though they don't have to.

Me and all reasonable people would take what Continental has ANY day of the week over this rag. $1.50 raise, extra vacation, sick pay, another $4,000 profit sharing check, etc., etc., are you kiddn me?

My point wasn't to show the masses what the industry standards are [See WN, UA, AA] but to let them 'peak' into the window of the wages/benefits of a non-union airline that is in the middle of the pack and is under the same environmental variables as US AIRWAYS. Randy preaches gloom and doom, however, the Continental bosses just announced another 2% pay raise last month. My next comparison will be with the mechanics.

Check out the latest here www.joeypage.com/continental

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[700UW]

Why compare apples to oranges?

The mechanics have been under a CBA since 1949, ramp since 1999, mechanics gave back over double in concessions than ramp.

 

[cltrat]

here we go again the mechanics had a cba with Wilbur and Orville who cares? it doesn't matter being represented is being represented be it 5 yrs or 500 years


though being represented is pretty loosely defined with this band of morons we have

 

[700UW]

It does matter when one group gives back more than double than the other.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why compare apples to oranges?

The mechanics have been under a CBA since 1949, ramp since 1999, mechanics gave back over double in concessions than ramp.

I completely respect your opinion on this matter but I don't find it finally convincing so I beg to differ. I think it's apples with apples. I'm sure some would side with you and say IAM membership since 1949 means something. Others would side with me and agree that there is no tenure in fairness. Whatever the case 700, I'm not trying to convince you, just going to put out a comparison of what Hemenway gave mechanics on the same day that oil hit it's intraday high of $112.75. And I will compare it to what the ramp rats got. Remember, just because someone works on the ramp doesn't mean they are stupid.

At any rate, doing a comparison doesn't hurt, rampers are smart enough to decide for themselves and you and I am not any smarter than them on these matters. Ramp rats will make up their own choice after reviewing all the comparisons and available information is presented to them.

Informational website

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

 

[605AW]

The comparison was between this "Wal Mart" contract against the one we voted down in September. I don't follow what you're missing? Language is everything in contracts. Kindly read the 'whole' September agreement. When you do, you'll get your answer. Instead of telling you, I'd rather you read it with your own eyes so you can know the truth.
This contract was a "DEEP" concession to the one that fleet service rejected. You lost not only 3 Holidays but you lost Holiday pay on ALL holidays. The rejected contract also allowed Full sick pay, shift differ, pension increase, insourcing language. All of those are BIG CONCESSIONS and they are all GONE and Gutted! This contract is a skeleton with bottom of the industry sick time and vacation. Why on earth would ANYONE vote for such a garbage thing? Especially since we have collective bargainging, this shouldn't be tolerated. The only reason why it was is because of the mixed signals Randy Canale sends to the company. Canale and crew didn't negotiate squat, Hemenway just red circled all the meat in the last contract and eliminated it and told Randy to deal with it. Randy will be voted out in less than 50 days so we won't have to deal with his treason after we vote this contract out.

This contract 'rapes' fleet service of any dignity and respect they have. It guarantees fleet service to be behind non-union Continental by a $1.50 and it guarantees fleet service to have the absolute WORST vacation schedule and sick leave schedule in the entire industry. United's bankrupt contract BLOWS this non-bankrupt proposal out of the water. Doesn't it say something and doesn't it ring a bell when your company made $1 billion over the last two years and has the second best balance sheet in the industry but doesnt offer you something even remotely close to United's bankrupt contract? Don't you believe you deserve better?
Don't let Canale and his goons beat you folks down telling you oil is high, Aloha went bankrupt, so you Must let your company shove this up your a$$ so you can live to fight another day!

This contract blows and it is worth MILLIONS less than the one you rejected.

Read the Facts here highlight sheet and information on the vote so you can have an informed decision. More facts are coming out daily on that site as we just intercepted an email from one of Canale's that contains blatant lies and we will expose it very soon.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com
website: www.joeypage.com/voteno

Tim,

You are correct to point out Article 32 of the Sept T/A...and Article 33 of course is missing... the "signing away" of the Change of Control.

I'm not be an expert at contract negotiations but when we lost the COC, maybe just maybe, we lost a little bargaining power?

Anyhow, thanks again for answering my question

 

[urbff]

Tim, I am so happy that you have been exposed. You really need to put that political agenda of yours away and stick to the facts. Purposefully trying to mislead these good folks, is only going to bite you in the a$$. Oh wait it just did. No one in their right mind would vote no on this. We have so much to gain. If it's rejected, as you have been, we stand to lose jobs. Let's stick up for each other and we all win.

You and your band of 8 brothers on here need to quit this foolishness. I have to wonder, do you even work? How do you find the time to figure out how to twist the truth so artfully? Why, beside political gain would you try to mislead people? Do you dislike the west so much that you want them to lose jobs? It's just not nice. If you want anyone's respect you need to tell the truth. The whole truth. Your half truths and lies are backfiring and it reflects very poorly on your new direction team. If I was them I'd be pretty upset with you right now. It's not too late to say your sorry and get on the right track. We are forgiving people. Go ahead Timmy, say your sorry and we can move forward in a positive direction.