Getting Ugly In Phl

[delldude]

Collective Bargaining Agreement
The contract agreed to by unions (representing employees) and management, defining wages, hours, benefits, and working conditions. Under the RLA, collective-bargaining agreements become subject to change on a specified date (amendable date), rather than expiring as agreements do in other employment sectors.

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they(hp) use disappearing ink on their contracts there guy....

 

[delldude]

Get over your - LOW COST self sista - you are in for a rude awakening - welcome to a not so fictional airline - hopefully you will learn fast b/c if not I give you one day before I see you on your knees in tears b/c you pissed off a f/a on the eastie side - you haven't a clue and I have seen many people in tears - so get a thick skin and know your stuff or you will be a thing of the past...

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i have to agree with you here.

toughen up now

 

[Happy_People]

I've only done PHL turns (out and back) no overnights for me in PHL in years. I do love the turns midweek hign yeild one day trip. Going to and from PHX its all buisness men. We only see the agents for a minute because its only like a 45 min ground time. But if there is the kind of bickering going on ... I might avoid it for awhile.

 

[luvn737s]

they(hp) use disappearing ink on their contracts there guy....

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Judging from the U pilots willingness to give up things (like the E-190 flying that had to be bought back through bargain basement wages) U's guys have the disappearing ink.

There is a clear difference between having a contract that provides protection from egregious violation and the vindictive enforcement of the letter of the contract so as to reclaim some delusion of power. It is all the more pointless and destructive when the people you are disenfranchising are the very ones reaching out to help build a better and more secure future. I am sure Carl Icahn could be enticed back into the airline biz, so keep your griping about Parker in perspective.

 

[700UW]

Luvn,

Your thinking is asinine.

Management signed the contracts, it has been fleet's work since they got their first Collective Bargaining Agreement in 1999, since then they have taken three rounds of concessions with new CBAs in effect.

If management wanted to change the scope language they had three opportunities, they did not so be it.

A contract is a legal and binding document, not to be broken at management's whim without consequences.

Just think if a FSA broke the contract the company would discipline them so fast your head would spin.

You cant have it both ways, management needs to learn to respect and abide by the CBAs.

No and if or buts!

 

[EricLv2Fish]

the virus spreads through upper management and then downward to high up union reps........keep your eyes open... 😉

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My eyes have been open for 4 years. I understand why those on the other side are shut. The virus will pass, or it will consume us. Many of us will not provide aid to the virus and there are some at ALL levels that will. Who will win? Remains to be seen. This virus is obviously tough but we are tough too.

 

[luvn737s]

If you challenge every little breech it becomes a game of "Gotcha" and it's all down hill from there.

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Precisely. Brilliant!

 

[700UW]

It is not a business contract, it is a Collective Bargaining Agreement under Federal Law, the Railway Labor Act, which states both parties must remain status quo.

The company violates the contract monetary damages are awarded.

No union can tolerate management's blatant violations of the scope language.

And remember the company is the one who fired the first shot, not the employees.

So Luvn, you should just let the company do what they want, is that how you think?

Apparently you have no concept of what a Collective Bargaining Agreement is.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

It is not a business contract, it is a Collective Bargaining Agreement under Federal Law, the Railway Labor Act, which states both parties must remain status quo.
Apparently you have no concept of what a Collective Bargaining Agreement is.

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Just curious 700UW....can you provide an example (if there is one) where a non-union worker can assist a union worker in a work environment without causing the company to pay a fine? Please try to make it a practical example.

 

[US1YFARE]

Just curious 700UW....can you provide an example (if there is one) where a non-union worker can assist a union worker in a work environment without causing the company to pay a fine? Please try to make it a practical example.

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well, i guess i'll leave my trash in the seat pocket...wouldn't want to violate the contract the f/a's have to tidy the plane

 

[luvn737s]

So Luvn, you should just let the company do what they want, is that how you think?

Apparently you have no concept of what a Collective Bargaining Agreement is.

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Well, golly gee, I've only been working under one or another for 22 years, maybe I've read it over in the course of that time.

I think unions serve a valuable purpose and if there is a union, then there must be a contract.

As Doug Parker has stated, the airline wants to empower people with the latitude to solve problems, which implies a trust that that latitude will not be abused. If they are willing to enforce their end of the bargain with a degree of flexibility that helps employee, company and customer, why can't the union extend an inch of trust as well and use some wisdom and discernment in picking which battles to fight?

If there ever was a "no harm, no foul" instance it is this. What would you have the company do? Recall a furloughee from home and delay the push until he shows up oh, and by the way bring a belt loader with you?

 

[700UW]

Eric,

There is not one that I know of, the scope language in the contracts is quite clear who's work it is. If it is covered under the CBA then no one who is not covered under the CBA is permitted to do the work.

Scope language violations are not petty, without scope language protections there are no jobs.

 

[luvn737s]

Just curious 700UW....can you provide an example (if there is one) where a non-union worker can assist a union worker in a work environment without causing the company to pay a fine? Please try to make it a practical example.

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The only scenario that comes to mind would be a Home Depot worker selling a union employee hammock hardware.

 

[700UW]

Apparently you are just a member of a union and not a union member.

You are not worth even replying to anymore.

When you can post something with intelligence let me know.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

Eric,

There is not one that I know of, the scope language in the contracts is quite clear who's work it is.  If it is covered under the CBA then no one who is not covered under the CBA is permitted to do the work.

Scope language violations are not petty, without scope language protections there are no jobs.

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Thank you 700UW for your striaght forward reply. Just one point...seems like everything is so black and white and their are some that would argue that black and white is good...simple...easy to follow. In contrast their are those who would argue rules that are too rigid without some degree of flexiblity inhibit one's ability to adapt well in a changing environment. The airline industry is in turmoil. Is it good to be rigid given the current environment?