Getting Ugly In Phl

[desertgal]

GalleyHag, you are obviously impressed by Anthony Mule, but IMO, he is a big part of the problem in the customer service division.
He absolutely can not be trusted. He is all talk and show.

DellDude, There are many at HP who understand labor and collective agreements.
There are many who understand the reason for the clear division of labor.
I understand why you are so upset and fuming.
But, I think you are beginning to rant, that last post was just silly to me.

Perhaps West can learn a little from East and, of course, East can learn some from West.
It takes a bit of finesse to walk the fine line between labor and mgmnt.
Some people will never gain the ability. Some are naturals.
I'm not talking just those of us on the labor side, its a fine line for mgmnt as well.

I can think of one airline who has had tremndous success walking the tightrope.
They will leave us choking on their fumes if we refuse to adapt.

 

[barbeetantrums]

GalleyHag, you are obviously impressed by Anthony Mule, but IMO, he is a big part of the problem in the customer service division.
He absolutely can not be trusted. He is all talk and show.

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I remember he told a group of us several years ago that America West didn't want an east coast presence, and that if it did, it would have been named America East. Funny how time flies.

 

[delldude]

DellDude, There are many at HP who understand labor and collective agreements.
There are many who understand the reason for the clear division of labor.but it looks to me as if you have a problem with many
I understand why you are so upset and fuming.not upset or fuming....just bewildered
But, I think you are beginning to rant, that last post was just silly to me. no rant, no mad..... like i pointed out most of your cronies seem to want to forgo your contract either out of fear or out of stupidity...

 

[desertgal]

I remember he told a group of us several years ago that America West didn't want an east coast presence, and that if it did, it would have been named America East. Funny how time flies.

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He's an idiot. I can't believe he has lasted this long.

 

[barbeetantrums]

He's an idiot. I can't believe he has lasted this long.

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A supervisor once told me he attended a meeting with Mulé and Mulé told everyone to stick their head under the table. Mulé began bellowing and cursing like a longshoreman about one thing or another and here they are with their heads under the table like kids practicing for a nuke attack. He then said, "You can come up now." and he was as pleasant as could be. What an ass.

 

[Breath_of_Fresh_USAirways]

:down:
God, I'm tired of this "us" and "them" attitude! East VS. West. Labor VS. Management. :rant:

It's beginning to appear that instead of doing whatever it takes to get the job done and keep the customers, that this is becoming an EXCUSE to do as LITTLE as possible. Do you want the merged airline to succeed? If so, you haven't proven it by your attitude (and I bet your actions haven't indicated any differently, either.) If you don't want it (you) to succeed then don't let the door hit you in the a$$. :rant:

We need to get all this energy re-directed to crushing the competition -- not each other!

:rant: Thanks. That felt good. 😉

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Gee, 14 pages of crap. Here's what needs to be done:

1.) Scale back PHL, spread more connecting traffic through other hubs, will save millions in fuel costs and make the flying experience better for the customer.
2.) Give workers in PHL the tools they need to work with.
3.) Management needs to respect contracts.
4.) Unions need to let management work with them to find out what the solutions to problems are.
5.) There is no old USAir, America West, Piedmont, PSA, Trump, Allegheny, Mohawk, Lake Central everybody has to dump their "old airline issues" and start anew.
6.) If you don't like any of the above it's time for a career change. Unfortunately, the good ole' days are long gone in the U.S. airline industry.

 

[rjh]

It takes a bit of finesse to walk the fine line between labor and mgmnt.
Some people will never gain the ability. Some are naturals.
I'm not talking just those of us on the labor side, its a fine line for mgmnt as well.

[post="309032"][/post]​

It also takes common sense to know which battles are worth fighting; to know when the company is trying to screw the employees; and to know that fighting over something like management trying to help out its employees and customers is just ridiculous.

 

[desertgal]

It also takes common sense to know which battles are worth fighting; to know when the company is trying to screw the employees; and to know that fighting over something like management trying to help out its employees and customers is just ridiculous.

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common sense=finesse 😉

 

[elixir]

WOW...
it's getting worse instead of better...700, you pissed about the "incident?" file a grievance, and get over it. Tell your managers politely that there will be a grievance filed, and what can you do to help PHL get on track...then move on.
You guys are flirting with disaster by sabotaging the potential of the very company that pays you. Reading these last pages is like watching two grown men fight over who gets the window seat while a train runs you over...Tunnel vision, and not seeing the forest for the trees...
I don't in any way mean to downplay the value of a CBA...but you can argue about the CBA all day, and WN and the other "focused" airline groups will eat your lunch...right out from under your "collective" noses.

 

[barbeetantrums]

WOW...
it's getting worse instead of better...700, you pissed about the "incident?" file a grievance, and get over it. Tell your managers politely that there will be a grievance filed, and what can you do to help PHL get on track...then move on.
You guys are flirting with disaster by sabotaging the potential of the very company that pays you. Reading these last pages is like watching two grown men fight over who gets the window seat while a train runs you over...Tunnel vision, and not seeing the forest for the trees...
I don't in any way mean to downplay the value of a CBA...but you can argue about the CBA all day, and WN and the other "focused" airline groups will eat your lunch...right out from under your "collective" noses.

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I spoke with a director who visited PIT and PHL to visit and see how things were run. They were surprised that the people in PHL were very polite and seemed relatively upbeat considering what they went through. Guess everyone who has visited PHL has noted the outright hostility and hatefulness at PHL.

 

[Light Years]

He always dons an apron on the flight and does service with the fa's. None to my knowledge have ever cared that he was non-union.

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That's not going to over well with the 6000+ Flight Attendants that are on furlough. 😱

 

[diogenes]

Random points, FWIW.

CWA and IAM had cross-utilization built into the original agreements at U, not that management ever took advantage of it. So unions can, and have agreed to flexibility.

In one little station the manager was over budget, so rather than call in overtime, he came to do the work himself. This kind of thinking was not unusual at U, so understand, folks are pretty touchy about it.

A CSM new to the station asked if it were ok to work thru a couple of flight cycles so he could get some better insight into his decision-making. That was fine with the troops and the stewards, who also made some friendly suggestions 😉

A regional director made the mistake of appearing on the ramp right after exhorting the troops to work hard. It just so happened the ramp was short staffed that day (budget thing again!), so the union guy asked the regional which end of the belt did he want to work - the a/c or the cart?

The regional couldn't get off the ramp fast enough, and the rampie unloaded the FWD bin (both ends of the belt) all by his little lonesome.

You cannot make this stuff up!

My advise to the new management - old U did a sorry job communicating to the troops(except when saying ben dover!) - it was very my-way-or-the-highway. A little talking will go a long way.

 

[hp_fa]

That's not going to over well with the 6000+ Flight Attendants that are on furlough. 😱

[post="309102"][/post]​

You apparently missed the point that the flight was, and will be, minimum manned. He is not taking anyone's job.

 

[Light Years]

You apparently missed the point that the flight was, and will be, minimum manned. He is not taking anyone's job.

[post="309130"][/post]​

Ok, so what if they said, well the widebodies are minimum staffed but we're going to put four more people on there just to serve, from management or foreign nationals or whatever. The flight is minimum staffed, it's not taking anyone's job, right? It sucks to have to think like that but it IS taking someone's job. You want an extra person in an apron for whatever reeason, call back one of your thousands of laid off F/As.