Getting Ugly In Phl

[elixir]

I'd love to see Doug/HP throw a bunch of new equipment, employees, and supervisors at PHL and give 'em an ultimatum (sp?) -- "Here ya go. This is what YOU said YOU need to get the job done. (You didn't let us find out if that's true or not -- we're taking your word for it.) And if you can't, well, then, you're outta here." All of 'em. Managers, supervisors, rampers, EVERY SINGLE person that IS SUPPOSEDLY RESPONSIBLE for the impending MESS -- if you can't all get along and WORK to KEEP THE CUSTOMER happy, then there's no place for you in the new U because that's what your JOB IS, whether it's spelled out in your precious contract or not. Period. 'Cause without customers, none of us have jobs. End of story.

Sounds like a simple solution to me.

[post="310164"][/post]​

This was suggested , oh, I don't know...21 pages ago? By me. In fact, I asked 700 "how do you request or otherwise procure required equipment"..has it been done? No answer.
Only 22 more pages of whatever one would call this. I'm not taking sides, I proposed a reasonable question, which might start a chain of events leading to a solution...seems the fight is much more interesting than the outcome. Then means justify the end?
Read that again carefully...The means justify "the end"....you guys better focus on the solution instead of typing all day about the problem...you're gonna make it too enticing just to give PHL to WN and be done with you all. I don't think thats what anyone other than WN wants to see...but your stacking the deck that way...

 

[longing4piedmont]

I would think the IAM local president would be screaming for someone to fly to Tempe and personally have a meeting with Dougie showing facts such as how much equipment it takes to run as planned, how many PHL actually has, and how many are actually working (agents and other equipment). Anyone know if someone outside of the PHL ramp room on the IAM side is involved? If not, then I would say its time for the PHL agents to get on someone from the IAM to address the issues as well.

[post="310168"][/post]​

Not going to happen...... That would mean someone would actually have to work rather than coming on here and blaming everyone else. It is much easier to #### and moan, flip every one the bird, and then scream that some one is trying to their job. Right 700?

 

[700UW]

Great to see your intelligent response, and the former and current IAM LL Presidents and Grievance Chairman have met with Crellin and higher ups to fix PHL with no avail.

Just throw insults out, makes you look ignorant.

And don't let the facts get in your way since you don't work for US and never worked the ramp in PHL.

 

[Art at ISP]

DMG,

Forgive my use of the wrong word--the agent told the captain they were A parking crew, but for the two gates or three gates adjacent to but not including the one in question. That addresses their qualifications, nothing else.

Regarding the HP crew testing, again, what is your source? Were you there?

Enough of this bickering---it needs to be fixed. Look at all the energy spent arguing here---could have been used to work on the problem.

 

[luvn737s]

Not having a closed shop will only make the union represent people that don't pay dues, it does not eliminate Collective Bargaining Agreements and the company having to adhere to them

So I guess you don't have as much of a clue as you think you do.

[post="310143"][/post]​

All employees represented by a union under the RLA have to pay either dues or Agency Fees. There are no free riders allowed. That is why all union contracts under the RLA have provisions that require management to fire any employee that does not pay either dues or agency fee. There are a few exceptions for religious convictions, but they are very specific.

I do agree that there is a contract in place, but it should be amended immediately without the unions threatening suicide. A wholesale change in culture shouldn't be left up to individual interpretation or misrepresentation. If the company feels there are customer-friendly, success oriented procedures it wants to implement, then they should write them down and the unions shouldn't stand in the way. Where there is a minor gray issue, resolve it in favor of the customer. A major gray area, refer it to a superior.

If each side commits to some flexibility in enforcement of the contract, the merger has some chance of success.

 

[elixir]

Great to see your intelligent response, and the former and current IAM LL Presidents and Grievance Chairman have met with Crellin and higher ups to fix PHL with no avail.

Just throw insults out, makes you look ignorant.

And don't let the facts get in your way since you don't work for US and never worked the ramp in PHL.

[post="310182"][/post]​

Who did they meet with above AC? What was the outcome? What do these reps now consider to be a next step? If no satisfaction from AC, have they pursued a meeting with their new CEO? If not, why not? If so, what is the status of that meeting? I'm reading this as "...we've made our case....to no avail...nothing left to do..." Am I reading you correctly? or am I missing some action step thats currently underway, because the union ALWAYS has an action step..No?

 

[700UW]

The RLA does not force the shop to be closed, Alaska Airlines was an open shop. A closed shop is a negotiated item between the company and the union, it is not forced upon them by the RLA.

The contracts have been amended three times in less then three years for concessions. They are not amendable till 2009, the company has to abide by them.

 

[Art at ISP]

Great to see your intelligent response, and the former and current IAM LL Presidents and Grievance Chairman have met with Crellin and higher ups to fix PHL with no avail.

Just throw insults out, makes you look ignorant.

And don't let the facts get in your way since you don't work for US and never worked the ramp in PHL.

[post="310182"][/post]​

700,

Again, just because Crellin is there doesn't mean it's the same management. What part of "new management" don't you get?

Has anyone from the IAM approached Parker or anyone on his team SINCE the 27th of September? If not quit whining and get them to take action.

Like my fellow posters, the main point here is not who's responsible for the problem. The main point is IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED...

And if Crellin can't or won't fix it, he and anyone else who continues to ignore it need to go---as do any employee who fails to do his or her job.

So stop whining about the past management and reach out to the new one....and don't cry about Crellin, go over his head if he won't listen--a sure way to get him on Doug's short list for exit....

 

[700UW]

The ramp in PHL went straight to the CEO who delegated it to Crellin, do you realize Crellin is second in command, only person he reports to is Parker. Cant speak for what the ramp has done with HP since the merger.

But with Crellin still in charge, nothing will change.

 

[Art at ISP]

I am sure if BOTH sides agree to reopen the contracts they would be amenable...


and if by your own admission you don't know what has been done since the 27th of September, then stop arguing and find out....

Doug will not tolerate inaction on Crellin's or anyone else's part. If Crellin NOW refuses to address the issue, I am sure he will be out the door in due time.

 

[longing4piedmont]

There you go again..... just come back with you aren't (fill in blank here).

Shall we take a poll on who is looking ignorant here?

You know if it walks like a duck, smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, do you have to be a duck to call it a duck. Don't think so.

The bottom line is your gravy train is just about to end. Your upset about it. Go ahead take your stand. You and your IAM friends can get together and talk about "how by gawd your going to teach em" You have planted the flag. You not going to let em walk all over you. I mean after all this PHL. You simply will not take it.

Well here is a news flash. Your going to lose this fight. Might as well start looking for another good cushy union job somewhere else where you can get paid, get great benefits and do no work. Your days are numbered here.

regards

your favorite arm chair QB. 😛

 

[700UW]

First of all I don't work the ramp, second there is no gravy train, I dont have a cushy union job and the scope language stands and US will lose.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a healthy rant, when you can post something with value, intelligence and actuall facts, come back, otherwise you are just wasting bandwidth.

Take your anti-union venom elsewhere.

 

[longing4piedmont]

Take your anti-union venom elsewhere.

[post="310194"][/post]​

You don't read well do you?

We've had this discussion once this morning already so it is time for you take some of your own advice.

Your quote from this morning...

When you become the owner of US Aviation.com, then you can tell the posters what to post or not.

Thank you and have a good day.

[post="310147"][/post]​

You are making this way to easy and too much fun. 😀

and BTW, you know, I know where you work.

 

[elixir]

Well, it's pretty obvious to me, then, that this becomes Crellin's problem...and if he's unable to address an issue of this magnatude(due to PHL's relative importance to the network) then he fails his first test under his new boss...can you not see that? Let him do nothing for a short while, and he gets his own carpet dance with his new boss.
Personally, I don't see the downside...if it's a legitamate problem ( and I think it is) then
AC just got strike 1 with DP) DP's own "love letter" concedes that there will be operational and integration issues..and that people WILL be afforded the assets to do their jobs effectively, if AC is a roadblock, his days will be numbered..doesn't that sound good to you?

 

[Art at ISP]

I agree completely with Elixir....