Getting Ugly In Phl

[700UW]

The incident which you refer to was back in 1999 in PHL, it was when the Ramp Negotiating Committee was explaining the first tentative agreement reached for the ramp.

I guess the PHL ramp people were not happy with it and the lights went out and chairs went flying.

 

[uswillwork]

The incident which you refer to was back in 1999 in PHL, it was when the Ramp Negotiating Committee was explaining the first tentative agreement reached for the ramp.

I guess the PHL ramp people were not happy with it and the lights went out and chairs went flying.

[post="311033"][/post]​

?? Sorry I am not aware of the incident which you are referring. But I am speaking specifically about 2 HP Ramp Managers/Trainers that were in Philadelphia last week that experienced the "PHL handshake"
I just dont think that I will be traveling to or visiting any department in PHL anytime soon.

 

[700UW]

I was replying to Delldude and NFS.

 

[crushed]

I guess the PHL ramp people were not happy with it and the lights went out and chairs went flying.

[post="311033"][/post]​

There is an audio tape of it....I can see if I can get you a copy.
The Union hotshot called us "scabs."(I think for working when the mechs walked)
There is a long pause in the tape and you hear people saying....."did he just call us scabs?"
And then chairs go flying!
Justified IMO

 

[elixir]

You know...I thought this thread was dead 27 pages ago, then 15, 10,5, today...this is beyond ridiculous. MrMan said a worthy to repaet statement..WN has none of these problems...in PHL...can you explain that..other than maybe their employees are imported? I lived in PHL for 10 years..loved it..had to adjust..yes..eye contact on the street..no...unless you're able to do a staredown..which I am...and did. PHL is all about INITIAL intimidation..if you pass the test...it's over..no more tests..from that person.

I guess my point is, and has been, there's no room for this type of behavior at work...period.

Better fix it soon, cause the longer this thread goes, the more likely it makes the paper.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

The incident which you refer to was back in 1999 in PHL, it was when the Ramp Negotiating Committee was explaining the first tentative agreement reached for the ramp.

I guess the PHL ramp people were not happy with it and the lights went out and chairs went flying.

[post="311033"][/post]​

Thank you 700 for clarifying the date....I was not so sure....but, One more reason why PHL is a disaster.....whatever your take on the union may be, animalistic behaviour by the members in PHL is going to bring that station to its end....Yea....You can all whine and complain about "no equipment"..."no support"....whatever....the bottom line is, that for the most part, PHL is a very TROUBLED station, and needs to be dismantled if US ever wants to erase this "black eye"....Like I have said before...should have expanded either PIT, or CLT for their Intn'l routes.......Choosing PHL was one of u's biggest mistakes....

 

[NeedForSpeed]

There is an audio tape of it....I can see if I can get you a copy.
The Union hotshot called us "scabs."(I think for working when the mechs walked)
There is a long pause in the tape and you hear people saying....."did he just call us scabs?"
And then chairs go flying!
Justified IMO

[post="311065"][/post]​

Need I say more????

 

[luvn737s]

The west coast touchy feely crap will be viewed as exactly that, CRAP!

[post="310851"][/post]​

Otherwise known as respect and common courtesy (which is in as short supply as comon sense and belt loaders)
Since there are very few native Arizonans as a percentage of the Phoenix population, Phoenix lacks any unique culture. Rather it is a amalgamation of midwestern values, California competitive materialism and a little, "I'm enjoying the weather here, don't bother me" thrown in. And don't you dare get caught leaving the garage door open!

 

[barbeetantrums]

Thank you 700 for clarifying the date....I was not so sure....but, One more reason why PHL is a disaster.....whatever your take on the union may be, animalistic behaviour by the members in PHL is going to bring that station to its end....Yea....You can all whine and complain about "no equipment"..."no support"....whatever....the bottom line is, that for the most part, PHL is a very TROUBLED station, and needs to be dismantled if US ever wants to erase this "black eye"....Like I have said before...should have expanded either PIT, or CLT for their Intn'l routes.......Choosing PHL was one of u's biggest mistakes....

[post="311073"][/post]​

I've talked with some directors and other management types who have visited other hubs and noticed different reactions when discussing visits to PIT and PHL. With PIT I hear "everyone is upbeat", "attitude is great considering what they've been through", "great airport"... PHL gets a "needs some work", "there was some hostility"... On the subject of PHL,mostly I notice the facial and body mannerisms of the person and note a taut smile or grimace and they look around nervously like the junior high bully is returning to beat the snot out of him. My bet says that PHL will see serious cuts in the next few years if things don't shape up. PHL is where the Mother of All Testerone Battles will occur between management and labor. It will get ugly.

CLT seems to elicit a neutral reaction. Yeah, it's there.

 

[muircross]

Im sorry, i cannot sit here and read this. No insubordination by fleet service? Are you kidding? Spitting, threatening the lives of the employees and their families? I think that this incident has been sugar coated. There is more to this story than most of you think or seem to know. The HP sups were NOT sent home, HP brought them home due to the circumstances that occured.

[post="311010"][/post]​

Hey Will, There was no spitting, and sent home versus brought home kind of sounds the same to me. Why split hairs?

Regards

 

[delldude]

Thank you 700 for clarifying the date....I was not so sure....but, One more reason why PHL is a disaster.....whatever your take on the union may be, animalistic behaviour by the members in PHL is going to bring that station to its end....Yea....You can all whine and complain about "no equipment"..."no support"....whatever....the bottom line is, that for the most part, PHL is a very TROUBLED station, and needs to be dismantled if US ever wants to erase this "black eye"....Like I have said before...should have expanded either PIT, or CLT for their Intn'l routes.......Choosing PHL was one of u's biggest mistakes....

[post="311073"][/post]​

in the blink of an eye.....

 

[NeedForSpeed]

My guess is that PHL is also the most Senior station. As we age, all of us become more resistant to change and when the changes that have occured in the last 5 years happen in the way they have happened you're going to get resitance in big hairy ugly way.

Someone mentioned "how come it's not that way over at SWA?" That's actually pretty easy. Show we an SWA employee who has had their entire financial future turned upside down. Show me where SWA has had multiple CEO's with multiple failed plans to restore profitability if only labor would "Just play ball"

The onus is now on Management to win over the hearts and minds of a demoralized workfore. To foster teamwork in a company whose idea of managing was to pit one group against each other presents a significant challenge. This is going to be a very difficult task. Not impossible, just difficult. This does not meant thing have to be all sweetness and light. General Patton was the biggest S.O.B in the military and his men loved him. It requires leadership NOT management.

[post="311217"][/post]​

As far as senority....PHL is probably one of the most JUNIOR stations...with the exception of maybe, DCA....PIT and CLT are much more senior...

 

[defender]

PHL is a very TROUBLED station, and needs to be dismantled if US ever wants to erase this "black eye"....Like I have said before...should have expanded either PIT, or CLT for their Intn'l routes.......Choosing PHL was one of u's biggest mistakes....

[post="311073"][/post]​

Fortunately for US Airways, you are NOT their financial advisor. PIT is not major Hub material - it's just a middle level city with a lot of very nice people and a big white elephant airport. No one is to blame for Pittsburgh's problems except Pittsburgh. They were the one's naive enough to build a new airport on the basis of a single airline's future success AND they are the one's who refused to reduce landing fees, even when the original USAIR threatened to reduce services. One thing you also seem to forget is that USAIR starting jumping ship at PIT well before any publicly known merger talks even began with HP.

Neither CLT nor PIT could support the O&D required for Philadelphia's International services - which will expand and continue to provide the airline with it's greatest source of income. You need to jump off of your emotional bandwagon and face reality - Pittsburgh is done and its very likely that Parker will expand both domestic and international services at PHL (US Airways largest Revenue Base) and PHX before anywhere else, including CLT. Instead of complaining about PHL, why don't you once offer some advice (if you have the experience) as to how to fix some of the problems IN A REALISTIC AND LOGICAL MANNER.

 

[Travelpro72]

I am well aware that the status of PIT will most likely not change much from what it is now. I do however wonder sometimes why everyone says PIT can't work instead of PHL because of O&D traffic. PIT was built as a primary connection hub airport. Just saying, you filtered most traffic through PIT you would have no problem filling a/c on int'l routes or any other route for that matter. Look at DL in CVG and CO in CLE. With as many people in the Northeast that their are and the poor condition and location of PHL it just seems a bit foolish to rely on that airport for your whole northeast operation. It is never going to work. It's landlocked restricting growth and you are choked by NY and DC airspace. Not to mention a raindrop hitting the tarmac can throw your whole system out of wack. It just doesn't seem like a good business plan.

 

[US1YFARE]

Look at DL in CVG and CO in CLE.

[post="311277"][/post]​

I disagree. The majority of CO international is in EWR. A lot of DL international flying is from JFK. UA has IAD and JFK. AA has JFK. All of those cities have high O&D. It makes sense that US has a hub in PHL and that PIT was not the hub for international flying because of the O&D market in PHL.