Getting Ugly In Phl

[NeedForSpeed]

It's time to come back to PIT boys. Dump PHL!

[post="308462"][/post]​

This is probably the best post of this thread so far............EVERYONE knew from the beginning that this station(PHL), was going to be a pain in the ass from the beginning...from a Maint. standpoint, at least........close it....reduce it...whatever....intergrate the ops back into CLT, or PIT......US made a huge mistake on this one

 

[delldude]

An airline, like any organization is like a machine with many moving parts. If you demand zero tolerance from any part, the whole machine binds up and shuts down. If you can't tell the difference between management jumping in to help out and establishing past practice to justify chronic understaffing, you need to take a few years off and come back for a visit when US is successful.

[post="308515"][/post]​

but like i'm trying to imply,keen minds on both sides should and could see these times and how to deal with them beforehand,don't you think?
how many times has these type scenarios hurt customers/union and management relations?

 

[multitasker]

I agree that union contract needs to be adheard and is not set in stone. Side letters are agreed upon and other adjustments can be agreed upon. Still common sense,good judgement, and customer service allows some flexability.

I understand that most of you at USA/East have been given the shaft many times in the past and don't blame you for being bitter. Try to step out of the old attitude and begin again. Life is to short to let a company, union, or co-workers to ruin your attitude or dedication to our customers.

We should be thankful that we have jobs and build this new airline to that all our furloughed co-workers can come back and join us in making this the best airline in the industry.

 

[luvn737s]

There's really nothing more to be said. 700 Unhappy Worker and the Dude will soon find themselves and their outmoded ideas strangers in a strange land not of their making. They'll either adapt or move on, but the culture will not support them and their quest to turn back time. Labor relations will not be dictated by the past because the past has betrayed almost everyone at the new U. Instead, a fresh approach to cooperative problem solving will emerge as the dominant paradigm. Unions will accept that the chains have been moved further from the goal post and that the purpose of the union is not to recapture lost glory, but to improve the present and the future in ways they've never tried.

 

[700UW]

A fresh approach is not violating a contract, we have been there and done that and it has ruined the labor-management relationship.

Bottom line it is a legal contract and they have abide by it or pay the price.

Amazing how you can't stand up for yourself and let management run all over you.

 

[delldude]

There's really nothing more to be said. 700 Unhappy Worker and the Dude will soon find themselves and their outmoded ideas strangers in a strange land not of their making. They'll either adapt or move on, but the culture will not support them and their quest to turn back time. Labor relations will not be dictated by the past because the past has betrayed almost everyone at the new U. Instead, a fresh approach to cooperative problem solving will emerge as the dominant paradigm. Unions will accept that the chains have been moved further from the goal post and that the purpose of the union is not to recapture lost glory, but to improve the present and the future in ways they've never tried.

[post="308520"][/post]​

if unions and management do not learn anything we've garnered from the too recent past,we are all doomed.the key is to all of us working together to achieve profitabilty and happy customers.

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[NeedForSpeed]

A fresh approach is not violating a contract, we have been there and done that and it has ruined the labor-management relationship.

Bottom line it is a legal contract and they have abide by it or pay the price.

700....I definately agree with your first quote.............I have been there and done that myself.......But what exactly do you mean on the second quote?? I got you as far as a "legal contract"......but what do you mean by them...."paying the price"??.....That's where you lost me....

 

[delldude]

There's really nothing more to be said. 700 Unhappy Worker and the Dude will soon find themselves and their outmoded ideas strangers in a strange land not of their making.

so trying to work with management to better our customers experience is not what we preach??
what do you propose?sign a contract and do as you wish?

 

[luvn737s]

tell me how your smack union succeeds with the likes of you....dude they need you over at NWA.....asap.....

[post="308506"][/post]​

Actually the folks trying to stir the labor relations pot should take a trip out to MSP to see what the nuclear option yields. Since strikers can and are replaced by scabs, you can effectively wipe out the strike option. So what's left? Cooperation or a massive change in US labor law.

Cooperative problem solving and sharing in the gains produced builds credibility in the union and keeps it relevant. Pretending that it has power it knows it doesn't undermines that credibility both from the outside and inside.

 

[700UW]

Paying monetary damages for violating the scope language.

 

[delldude]

Actually the folks trying to stir the labor relations pot should take a trip out to MSP to see what the nuclear option yields. Since strikers can and are replaced by scabs, you can effectively wipe out the strike option. So what's left? Cooperation or a massive change in US labor law.

Cooperative problem solving and sharing in the gains produced builds credibility in the union and keeps it relevant. Pretending that it has power it knows it doesn't undermines that credibility both from the outside and inside.

[post="308525"][/post]​

your nuclear option is being reported by FAA as to lack of experience by replacement workers who may lose the flying publics trust.

 

[700UW]

Cooperative problem solving is not management blantantly violating a contract.

Can't you understand that?

Management for the past several years has declared war on the employees.

Does the words "Airbus Arbitration" mean anything to you?

 

[hp_fa]

I'll apologize first...I'm sorry.

I agree with Piney. I don't see that as an effort to break your contract. Perhaps PHL folks had said or complained of one or more issues that had never caused problems in PHX or LAS and they wanted to experience it first-hand. Or, maybe they were trying to form some form of bond with you. Regardless, you threw it back in their face. Do you think they are likely to forget that anytime soon?

The VP of Inflight has donned an apron before and helped and or assisted in the cabin. Was he trying to take work from us? No. We are min staffed whether he is on or not. He is trying to both show interest in us and mingle with customers.

I will occasionally complain about management, but I will (by God) defend them when they deserve to be defended and this sounds like one of those times.

 

[luvn737s]

your nuclear option is being reported by FAA as to lack of experience by replacement workers who may lose the flying publics trust.

[post="308528"][/post]​

It's not the FAA's job to get in the middle of labor relations. Let's stay on track.

 

[PITbull]

There's really nothing more to be said. 700 Unhappy Worker and the Dude will soon find themselves and their outmoded ideas strangers in a strange land not of their making. They'll either adapt or move on, but the culture will not support them and their quest to turn back time. Labor relations will not be dictated by the past because the past has betrayed almost everyone at the new U. Instead, a fresh approach to cooperative problem solving will emerge as the dominant paradigm. Unions will accept that the chains have been moved further from the goal post and that the purpose of the union is not to recapture lost glory, but to improve the present and the future in ways they've never tried.

[post="308520"][/post]​

luvn,

U Management could have tried the "cooperative" approach in problem solving, instead of "psychological war games" of threat and intimidation" which is now part of most of our existing relationship with this managment. When the new CEO states that the U contracts are the "industry leading contracts", than WN employees better make way for a new lower wage to compete in the future. Even Rome fail from grace. Adapt you say... to what or whom? The couple thousand BOD Exec dictators who take their $30,000 plus pay check a month and tell YOU how they believe you should live or quit??? OR BK? Corporate America at its finest.

WN will not hedge fuel at lower cost for infinity, my friend. Strange land, in a strange place, indeed.

The race to the bottom will include ALL airline legacies, and that includes your favorite.