Goota love the christian Right.

[Garfield1966]

I was responding in kind to your blanket statement if calling the Dems socialists.

Compare the majority of my posts to yours and see what you find.

 

[KCFlyer]

Are you even capable of replying with a well thought out argument? These juvenile 1 liners only go to support the conclusion that you are not.

No, he apparently just discovered youtube. And if he took a little time away from youtube and looked just a little bit into how this administration has abused their power, he might start seeing that we are closer to a dictatorship than a democracy than he thinks. Don't hold your breath though.

 

[delldude]

No, he apparently just discovered youtube. And if he took a little time away from youtube and looked just a little bit into how this administration has abused their power, he might start seeing that we are closer to a dictatorship than a democracy than he thinks. Don't hold your breath though.

Hey KC......maybe W learned from his predecessor?

Thats not fair...thats not fair....

Clinton Takes Steps to become Dictator
© 1999 Discerning the Times Digest and NewsBytes

Here we go again. President Clinton continues to circumvent Congress, trampling on Constitutional checks and balances. This is no lame duck president. He can hear the clock winding down, and sensing his imminent departure, he is spending his last months in office ensuring his legacy through the use and abuse of the Executive Order (EO).

With the stroke of his executive pen, Bill Clinton’s EO’s have affected everything from a war against Yugoslavia, to patients’ rights, to immunity from lawsuit for the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN), which spawned the Wildlands Project, which seeks to protect half of the land in the U.S. from human use of any kind.

The President’s Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt wants to set aside two million acres in the West, establishing them as National Monuments. Another 50 million acres could be set aside as roadless areas. The restrictions on use that would ensue would effectively implement the agenda of the Wildlands Project in the designated areas, without the approval of Congress.

"We’ve switched the rules of the game. We’re not trying to do anything legislatively." Secretary of Interior,

Bruce Babbitt

Secretary Babbitt knows that using Constitutional means to achieve his goals is impossible with a Republican Congress. He has said that if Congress does not cooperate with his agenda regarding these two million acres, he will consider asking the President to exert his power to get it done. In fact, apparently Secretary Babbitt has no intention of waiting for Congress to achieve his goals. The June 14th edition of the Washington Times quoted Babbitt saying, "We’ve switched the rules of the game. We’re not trying to do anything legislatively."

The Antiquities Act passed in 1908 to protect the Grand Canyon, outlines the criteria for national monument designation as being reserved for lands having "scientific, historic or archaeological significance." Clinton’s administration is hard pressed to justify many of the designations it has made, and is attempting to make. A critical review quickly establishes these efforts as nothing more than elaborate land grabs by the federal government. Although future presidents can overturn EOs, that is little comfort to citizens who depend on these lands to make a living, or private property owners whose land and homes are expropriated by heavy handed bureaucrats who make it impossible to live on their own land.

Clinton’s abuses are getting deeper and are becoming more and more sinister. Already under fire for political abuse of FBI and IRS files, Clinton has quietly issued another EO that will afford him access to even more sensitive documents. This Executive Order is an amendment to EO 12958 signed in November, 1999 concerning classified security information. The amendment establishes a new bureaucracy, the Information Security Oversight Office within the National Archives and Records Administration. The order has the potential to allow this newly created office access to federal files, even classified files, on anyone for any reason. This will catapult invasion of privacy to gargantuan proportions.

The power grab never ends. Another priority of the Clinton administration is gun control. The Washington Post reported December 15, 1999 that the administration plans, "an all-out offensive on guns in the coming year." White House domestic policy chief Bruce D. Reed said, "the country is tired of waiting for Congress to respond to the tragedy in Littleton. The administration is going to do every thing in its power to make progress on guns." Research shows that gun control legislation does very little to reduce crime rates. (See this months commentary.)

Unfortunately, these moves by Clinton are only the tip of the iceberg. It is obvious that he will use the remainder of the this year to push through as much of his agenda as he possibly can without going through Congress. Congress has passed so much loosely written laws that the body of precedent to which the President can now turn to justify his actions is incredibly broad. It has been built upon the skirting of law rather than defensible redistribution of lawmaking power. The legitimate body of law to which we are duty bound must be the United States Constitution. The Constitution is effectively being ignored, interpreted and reinterpreted into oblivion. Without strict adherence to this proven document, tyranny is inevitable.

 

[local 12 proud]

Compare the majority of my posts to yours and see what you find.

I have found that your an ASS.

regards, 😛

Local 12

 

[local 12 proud]

No, he apparently just discovered youtube. And if he took a little time away from youtube and looked just a little bit into how this administration has abused their power, he might start seeing that we are closer to a dictatorship than a democracy than he thinks. Don't hold your breath though.

Dad gum KC, Iz'n thet you'n on thet thar motor bik?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3_jxA0DDoQ

 

[Garfield1966]

Dell,

I stil don't understand why you use Clinton as your standard for W's performance. My recollection of W's campaigns was that we would bring honor and dignity back to the White House. Yet you use Clinton who disgraced the Office as your benchmark for W. You do see the irony in that right? Just because Clinton was an ass in office does not provide W with a get out of jail card.

Why do you keep bringing him up?

 

[local 12 proud]

Just because Clinton was an ass in office does not provide W with a get out of jail card.

My Gawd, we finally agree!!!!!!!!!!

It will not matter who gets appointed next, we as a Nation are being sold out piece meal by those who have greed as their prime motivator!

Count on it!

 

[delldude]

Dell,

I stil don't understand why you use Clinton as your standard for W's performance. My recollection of W's campaigns was that we would bring honor and dignity back to the White House. Yet you use Clinton who disgraced the Office as your benchmark for W. You do see the irony in that right? Just because Clinton was an ass in office does not provide W with a get out of jail card.

Why do you keep bringing him up?

No standard being shown....all you poor poor lefties out their barely eaking out an existence under the brutal dictator George W Bush made me wonder what if any other presidents did or could be accused of being a dictator...guess what...waa laa.....good old Bill did the same things,but I didn't hear 'yall whining and crying back then...What then is different?? Oh my God....he's a Republican Christian right winger....sorry....I forgot.
Oh and I also forgot about your post traumatic election syndrome.....going on 8 years now and you guys still got issues.

 

[Garfield1966]

I love your sources Dell. "Discerning the Times"? LOL

I had a big problem with the FBI files and I said so at the time. As for the national parks, I am all for them. Far to much of land is being exploited and ruined. Congress was not interested in doing anything to fix it so Clinton did. As I recall, no soldiers were injured or killed in the process.

Dell, you do use Clinton as a standard on a regular basis. Every time W is accused of something it your response is "well Clinton did .....". That is using Clinton as bench mark. Persoannly I think you could do much better for a standard bearer, but I doubt W could.

 

[jerseyfinn]

Dell, you do use Clinton as a standard on a regular basis. Every time W is accused of something it your response is "well Clinton did .....". That is using Clinton as bench mark. Persoannly I think you could do much better for a standard bearer, but I doubt W could.

Politicans are public figures so B43, Clinton, or any opther public person is a legitimate point of reference.

It's not incongruous to refer to Mr. Clinton as he does indeed leave behind him a public record to which one can refer. After all, how can I ever forget how Mr. Clinton makes a blow job a topic that my son gets to think about when he's in second grade? Of course Hillary would respond that it takes a village to give a blowjob, but that's beside the point.

I can't speak to why a dem or so-called libs who lack the conviction to belong yet still want to whine like a dem tend to have short memories or less capacity to concede the reality of the public record. But real it is just as it's a fact that B43, like Mr. C, was elected twice to the White House. Of course we can qualify the hell out my comment, but it leads us nowhere ( kind of like the leadership of both parties at the moment ).

It will not matter who gets appointed next, we as a Nation are being sold out piece meal by those who have greed as their prime motivator!

I feel the same exasperation Local 12, but remember that politicians do not exist in a vacuum, they themselves arise from We the People who elect them. Of course, once we cast our ballot, the People are pushed aside by big bucks and special interests who play at the levers of power. Politics is dysfunctional for a couple of decades now -- but you reap what you sow. I fear what the future holds for this country, but fot that, I hold both parties responsible. That we put them there is not our fault, it just speaks to the crappy society that we have allowed to become the status quo -- that is what we each bear responsbitilty for.

The question is when the politicos will act ( admittedly out of desperation ) to face reality and what sort of damage will have been done to the fabric of the nation by the time they belatedly begin to address real issues.

Barry

 

[Garfield1966]

Politicans are public figures so B43, Clinton, or any opther public person is a legitimate point of reference.

It's not incongruous to refer to Mr. Clinton as he does indeed leave behind him a public record to which one can refer.

Fine, lets try a slightly different approach. When I was a child and was trying to justify a bad action on my part I would find someone worse than me and say something to the affect of "well, he did it too".

When I look to improve my self and stature, I look to someone admired by society and try and compare my self to him.

Nixon lied to government and the people but I do not recall anyone in the Clinton camp or any of his supporters saying, "Hey, well Nixon lied too."

I have never said that he could not compare W to Clinton. He can use Jeffery Dahlmer or Genghis Kahn for all I care. What I do not understand is why use someone as a benchmark when you despise that person. Personally, I prefer to be compared to someone I admire. To be compared to someone I despise would be an insult.

But hey, if you want to insult W as well, by all means jump on the bandwagon. The more the merrier.

Never could understand why there was the big hoopla about a BJ in the Oval. Not like infidelity is such a rare thing. His biggest mistake was not to tell the grand jury to kiss his ass because his private life is just that, private. The second that dumb ass lied to the jury, they should have nailed him to the wall.

 

[delldude]

I love your sources Dell. "Discerning the Times"? LOL

I had a big problem with the FBI files and I said so at the time. As for the national parks, I am all for them. Far to much of land is being exploited and ruined. Congress was not interested in doing anything to fix it so Clinton did. As I recall, no soldiers were injured or killed in the process.

Dell, you do use Clinton as a standard on a regular basis. Every time W is accused of something it your response is "well Clinton did .....". That is using Clinton as bench mark. Persoannly I think you could do much better for a standard bearer, but I doubt W could.

Thats great Gar....but whether or not you love the parks still circumventing the legislative process via Executive Orders is not right......I'll tell you if the she #### from hell gets in there...you think W is a dictator....? Just mark my word.

Some backround on Pres powers

Gar,run a google on presidential abuse of executive orders and see whose name comes up the most.....

Sorry,Gar...i'm trying to deal with that issue....

 

[Garfield1966]

I ran a search as suggested and most of the articles sited that were critical of Clinton were written at the end of his term or the beginning of Bush's term so there was no comparison made.

The articles written that were critical of W made no reference to Clinton so I cannot make any comparison there either. My guess is the number of abuses are similar, the difference is on what the out come was.

It is my opinion that to sign an order that abridges human rights is worse than one that sets aside land for preservation. While both orders by pass congressional over sight, I do see a difference. In the final analysis, the determination will be made by the public as to which abuses they deem to have over stepped the bounds of reason. It would appear that Bush will loose that battle.

 

[rjh]

It's not incongruous to refer to Mr. Clinton as he does indeed leave behind him a public record to which one can refer. After all, how can I ever forget how Mr. Clinton makes a blow job a topic that my son gets to think about when he's in second grade? Of course Hillary would respond that it takes a village to give a blowjob, but that's beside the point.

I

Clinton didn't turn a blowjob into a second-grade history topic--those that tried to impeach him for getting a blowjob did.

 

[Garfield1966]

After all, how can I ever forget how Mr. Clinton makes a blow job a topic that my son gets to think about when he's in second grade?

Good luck explaining to your son why he can't tap his toes if he is nervous or board when he is dropping a load in the can.