Grass Roots drive for TWU to replace AMFA begins.

topDawg

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Ironic its a picture of your engine shop that can be complete outsourced per your CBA as soon as American parks the last CFM56 powered jet.........
few things. First, that number is wrong
second
Southwest since 9/11 has insourced about 10% of additional maintenance work over that time period.
America has, in the same time period, outsourced over 20% of its maintenance, and as i noted above, per its last contract has given the companies the keys to completely sun set engine overhaul work in-house.

So serious question, is it words you don't understand or is it the math?
 
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Ironic its a picture of your engine shop that can be complete outsourced per your CBA as soon as American parks the last CFM56 powered jet.........

few things. First, that number is wrong
second
Southwest since 9/11 has insourced about 10% of additional maintenance work over that time period.
America has, in the same time period, outsourced over 20% of its maintenance, and as i noted above, per its last contract has given the companies the keys to completely sun set engine overhaul work in-house.

So serious question, is it words you don't understand or is it the math?

Serious question. How many contracts have you read within the Industry and outside of the industry? Within the Industry you know that contracts never expire (sunset) they only become amendable. We’ve seen over and over everywhere language that gives Companies some leverage in negotiations. That never means those things absolutely happen (sometimes they do) Things depend on negotiations.

And as far as your “period” of outsourcing I answered that for you in the other thread. But you can go to the “Airline Data Project” to see how many Mechanics SWA has per Aircraft compared to AA. (Hint it’s pretty measly)
 
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Ironic its a picture of your engine shop that can be complete outsourced per your CBA as soon as American parks the last CFM56 powered jet.........

few things. First, that number is wrong
second
Southwest since 9/11 has insourced about 10% of additional maintenance work over that time period.
America has, in the same time period, outsourced over 20% of its maintenance, and as i noted above, per its last contract has given the companies the keys to completely sun set engine overhaul work in-house.

So serious question, is it words you don't understand or is it the math?

Here’s something interesting Dawg. I just checked the Airline Data Project link and see that Delta hasn’t updated their numbers since 2018. Wonder if they want to hide things? Anyway in 2018 Delta employed (In House) 11.2 Mechanics per Aircraft.

In 2020 American Airlines employed (In House) 21.7 Mechanics per Aircraft.

Now with the hiring tear AA has been on I wouldn’t be surprised to see that number grow when 2021 is reported.

 

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Ironic its a picture of your engine shop that can be complete outsourced per your CBA as soon as American parks the last CFM56 powered jet.........

few things. First, that number is wrong
second
Southwest since 9/11 has insourced about 10% of additional maintenance work over that time period.
America has, in the same time period, outsourced over 20% of its maintenance, and as i noted above, per its last contract has given the companies the keys to completely sun set engine overhaul work in-house.

So serious question, is it words you don't understand or is it the math?
Ah, yes, the ole sun set lingo, we had it too on some language that almost slipped by in our last contract, but was saved at the last minute at the table right before coming out with the T/A. Per the RLA our contracts never expire, but most folks DO NOT understand the "sun set" clauses as just how strong those clauses are. Sun set means they drop dead at end of contract date period, unless the co and union "RE-NEGOTIATE" that certain language back into the contract. Sun set language way outweighs the amendable dates of contracts. People really need to get educated about that as most, as you know, have no clue at all about it. Companies love the sun set language in hopes it gets slipped by the nego table while getting into a new contract. A tactic used as "we will get that back next time" type language.
Glad to see others that actually follow the real growth and expansions and not just throw misinformation out there hoping all will believe everything they read.
BTW; that 10% you mention above I believe is more like 15-20% now with all the new hangars and new maint coming into them, also look for our local Dallas area maint to increase quite a bit next year too, already puting supervisors and equipment in place for the move in 2023...
 
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Ah, yes, the ole sun set lingo, we had it too on some language that almost slipped by in our last contract, but was saved at the last minute at the table right before coming out with the T/A. Per the RLA our contracts never expire, but most folks DO NOT understand the "sun set" clauses as just how strong those clauses are. Sun set means they drop dead at end of contract date period, unless the co and union "RE-NEGOTIATE" that certain language back into the contract. Sun set language way outweighs the amendable dates of contracts. People really need to get educated about that as most, as you know, have no clue at all about it. Companies love the sun set language in hopes it gets slipped by the nego table while getting into a new contract. A tactic used as "we will get that back next time" type language.
Glad to see others that actually follow the real growth and expansions and not just throw misinformation out there hoping all will believe everything they read.
BTW; that 10% you mention above I believe is more like 15-20% now with all the new hangars and new maint coming into them, also look for our local Dallas area maint to increase quite a bit next year too, already puting supervisors and equipment in place for the move in 2023...

I’m sorry I wrote 2.3. It’s actually 2.75. Here it is. This is your very own language. I challenge you now to go to the TWU/IAM Contract and find something similar.

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Sometimes I wonder why I’m even arguing here when the numbers alone tell the tale.

SWA employees around 3000 Mechanics and AA employs around 17,000 Mechanics.

How much more simple can I make it?
 
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Anyone care to discuss the role that the Law Firm of Seeham Seeham Meltz and Peterson plays for AMFA?

Care to discuss how much of AMFA represented Mechanics money is wasted on trying to raid other already represented Airline Mechanic Unions and failed NMB filings?

Anyone care to discuss those DOL LM2 filings that show that incredible spend and waste (scam) to that Law Firm?

That would be the Law Firm who actually “owns” AMFA.
 

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Ironic its a picture of your engine shop that can be complete outsourced per your CBA as soon as American parks the last CFM56 powered jet.........

few things. First, that number is wrong
second
Southwest since 9/11 has insourced about 10% of additional maintenance work over that time period.
America has, in the same time period, outsourced over 20% of its maintenance, and as i noted above, per its last contract has given the companies the keys to completely sun set engine overhaul work in-house.

So serious question, is it words you don't understand or is it the math?
How many Delta mechanics in Singapore doing those interior mods?

How many Delta mechanics in Quito, Mexico doing those heavy checks?

how many at VQQ and SAL?


A330-300 PS Mod (3301-3331): 21/31
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N803NW 3303
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N806NW 3306 Entered Sep 17, 2021; finished Oct 18, 2021
N807NW 3307 Entered Jan 9, 2022; finished Feb 3, 2022
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N813NW 3313 Entered May 13, 2021; finished Jul 30, 2021
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N826NW 3326 Entered Nov 22, 2021; finished Dec 19, 2021
N827NW 3327 Entered Mar 27, 2022; finished Apr 8, 2022.
N828NW 3328 Entered Apr 19, 2022; finished May 2, 2022
N829NW 3329 Entered July 14, 2021; finished Aug 27, 2021
N830NW 3330 Entered Jan 30, 2022; finished Feb 15, 2022
N831NW 3331 Entered May 2, 2022; finished May 20, 2022

A330-200 PS Mod (3351-3361): 11/11
N851NW 3351 Entered Feb 12, 2022; finished Mar 10, 2022
N852NW 3352 Entered Jan 18, 2022; finished Feb 11, 2022
N853NW 3353 Entered May 19, 2022; finished Jun 15, 2022
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N858NW 3358 Entered Nov 14, 2021; finished Dec 17, 2021
N859NW 3359 Entered Oct 15, 2021; finished Nov 13, 2021
N860NW 3360 Entered Jan 24, 2022; finished Feb 19, 2022
N861NW 3361 Entered Dec 17, 2021; finished Jan 17, 2022
*Mods complete. This section will be removed from next month’s list post

767-400 D1 Suite Conversions – J34W20+28Y156: 20/21
N825MH 1801 Entered Feb 19, 2020; finished Sep 10, 2020, delayed due to COVID-19
N826MH 1802 Entered Nov 17, 2019; finished Jan 19, 2020
N827MH 1803 Entered Feb 26, 2020; finished Oct 22, 2020, delayed due to COVID-19
N828MH 1804 Entered Jan 3, 2019; finished Jun 24, 2019
N829MH 1805 Entered Sep 8, 2020; finished Oct 22, 2020
N830MH 1806 Entered Oct 21, 2020; finished Dec 13, 2020
N831MH 1807 Entered Sep 2, 2019; finished Nov 12, 2019
N832MH 1808 Entered Mar 30, 3021; finished May 3, 2021
N833MH 1809 Entered Sep 13, 2019; finished Nov 24, 2019
N834MH 1810 Entered Sep 11, 2019; finished Nov 17, 2019
N835MH 1811 Entered Oct 1, 2019; finished Dec 5, 2019
N836MH 1812 Entered Nov 20, 2019; finished Jan 28, 2020
N837MH 1813 Entered Nov 29, 2019; finished Feb 18, 2020
N838MH 1814 Entered Dec 10, 2019; finished Feb 25, 2020
N839MH 1815 Entered Jan 22, 2020; finished Oct 20, 2020, delayed due to COVID-19
N840MH 1816 Entered Jan 23, 2020; finished Sep 11, 2020, delayed due to COVID-19
N841MH 1817 Ferried to SBD May 12, 2022 for mx prior to D1 mods
N842MH 1818 Entered Feb 22, 2022; finished May 20, 2022
N843MH 1819 Entered Dec 13, 2020; finished Feb 3, 2021
N844MH 1820 Entered Feb 4, 2021; finished Mar 29, 2021
N845MH 1821 Entered Feb 4, 2021; finished Mar 28, 2021

767-300ER 76K Mod (PS seats, new lavs, PED power all seats, LED lighting) – C26W18Y+21Y151: 13
N180DN 180 Entered Jun 18; est. exit Jul 31, 2022
N188DN 188 Entered Apr 8, 2022; finished May 25, 2022
N189DN 189 Entered Mar 29, 2022; finished Apr 29, 2022
N1602 1602 Entered Dec 2, 2021; finished Jan 15, 2022
N1603 1603 Entered May 20; finished Jun 21, 2022
N1604R 1604 Entered Feb 22, 2022; finished Apr 8, 2022
N1605 1605 Entered Apr 29; finished Jun 17, 2022
N16065 1606 Entered Jun 30; est. exit Jul 19, 2022
N172DZ 1702 Entered Oct 8, 2021; finished Dec 6, 2021
N173DZ 1703 Entered Oct 11, 2021; finished Dec 6, 2021
N174DZ 1704 Entered Nov 1, 2021; finished Dec 19, 2021
N175DZ 1705 Entered Dec 6, 2021; finished Jan 12, 2022
N176DZ 1706 Entered Jan 8, 2022; finished Feb 11, 2022
N177DZ 1707 Entered Mar 16, 2022; finished Apr 29 2022
N178DZ 1708 Entered Feb 3, 2021; finished Jun 14, 2021

757-200 IFC: 57 active (62 total w/ 5 parked**)
*Aircraft with ViaSat IFC: 658-660 | 665| 667-676 | 678-679, 681-699 | 5650 | 5652-5657 | 6702| 6704-6717
**Parked 75Ds: 680, 5651, 6700, 6701, 6703
***Mod scope covers only 75Ds at this time. Other sub-fleets are TBA.

737-900ER (ex-Lion Air/Batik Air) / 73R Induction (3931-3959): 0/30
N935DZ 3935 Entered Jun 16, 2022; est. exit TBD
*Work taking place at SAL and VQQ
 

topDawg

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Serious question. How many contracts have you read within the Industry and outside of the industry? Within the Industry you know that contracts never expire (sunset) they only become amendable. We’ve seen over and over everywhere language that gives Companies some leverage in negotiations. That never means those things absolutely happen (sometimes they do) Things depend on negotiations.

And as far as your “period” of outsourcing I answered that for you in the other thread. But you can go to the “Airline Data Project” to see how many Mechanics SWA has per Aircraft compared to AA. (Hint it’s pretty measly)
Serious question......do you even know what the f&%k you are talking about?

YOUR CBA forces American to insource the JT8D (retired and gone) the CF6 (only the 80C2 and retired and gone) and the CFM56 (5B and 7 only). Now, I'm going to guess you don't know this......cause I'm not real sure you know much about how anything works......but your next generation aircraft run on CFM LEAP engines (outsourced and nothing forcing the company to bring them in-house) and the GE GEnX (outsourced and nothing forcing the company to bring them in house, and we will ignore that you guess literally don't have the capability to do so without hundreds of millions of dollars.)
So unless you are assuming the CFM56 will live on forever...... guess what happens to your engine shop when American parks the airplanes powered by those engines?

On one hand I don't get how mechanics have let the so much work be outsourced when they have so many chips in their favor.....then I read posts from people like you and it just shows me how incredibly out of touch our craft is. So when management sits down to negotiate a deal they are going up against 5 year olds. Makes your turd of a post merger contract make a lot more sense. Shame, you guess had a chance and every thing on your side to really turn the tides. Instead pissed away the opportunity.
Here’s something interesting Dawg. I just checked the Airline Data Project link and see that Delta hasn’t updated their numbers since 2018. Wonder if they want to hide things? Anyway in 2018 Delta employed (In House) 11.2 Mechanics per Aircraft.

In 2020 American Airlines employed (In House) 21.7 Mechanics per Aircraft.

Now with the hiring tear AA has been on I wouldn’t be surprised to see that number grow when 2021 is reported.

........dude. Sometimes I really don't know what to do with you.

airline data project pulls numbers from SEC reports and does the math themselves. Nice people, open to questions. Email them and as why they haven't updated.

And I hate to break it to you, mechanics per tail just show inefficiency. Unions love the stat because it is Mechanics per tail *that are paying us union dues....woohooo
Union shills like you love it, because the TWU tells you to love it and frankly you have proven in this two post that you are so ignorant to what is going on at your own airline much less the rest of the industry that you don't know any better.
Just like "huurrrr durrrrrrr we need nothing but A&Ps touching airplane parts" "Well look at our mechanic per tail" is one of those dumbass industrial union things that just shows they are still mentally stuck in 1974 and why they are constantly losing work to other countries and companies. Its all about having so many mechanics they can be lazy as hell. Its also why your union hates MRO work, you actually have to be mildly efficient to bid on MRO work these days. United is finally starting to figure out though i fear itll be too late for them.
You guys will be USAir 2.0 once current generation aircraft leave. Above 50% of your airframe overhaul, hand full of backshops and everything else going to vendors. Congrats I guess.
How many Delta mechanics in Singapore doing those interior mods?

How many Delta mechanics in Quito, Mexico doing those heavy checks?

how many at VQQ and SAL?


A330-300 PS Mod (3301-3331): 21/31
N801NW 3301
N802NW 3302 Entered Nov 10, 2021; finished Dec 6, 2021
N803NW 3303
N804NW 3304 Entered Apr 20, 2022; finished Jun 21, 2022
N805NW 3305 Entered Oct 21, 2021; finished Nov 18, 2021
N806NW 3306 Entered Sep 17, 2021; finished Oct 18, 2021
N807NW 3307 Entered Jan 9, 2022; finished Feb 3, 2022
N808NW 3308 Entered Nov 19, 2021; finished Dec 19, 2021
N809NW 3309 Entered Jan 14, 2022; finished Jan 29, 2022
N810NW 3310
N811NW 3311
N812NW 3312 Entered Dec 6, 2021; finished Jan 9, 2022
N813NW 3313 Entered May 13, 2021; finished Jul 30, 2021
N814NW 3314 Entered May 12, 2022; finished Jun 3, 2022
N815NW 3315
N816NW 3316
N817NW 3317
N818NW 3318
N819NW 3319
N820NW 3320
N821NW 3321 Entered Oct 25, 2021; finished Nov 21, 2021
N822NW 3322 Entered Feb 7, 2022; finished Mar 28, 2022
N823NW 3323 Entered Mar 28, 2022; finished May 11, 2022
N824NW 3324 Entered Mar 7, 2022; finished Apr 20, 2022
N825NW 3325 Entered Sep 20, 2021; finished Oct 22, 2021
N826NW 3326 Entered Nov 22, 2021; finished Dec 19, 2021
N827NW 3327 Entered Mar 27, 2022; finished Apr 8, 2022.
N828NW 3328 Entered Apr 19, 2022; finished May 2, 2022
N829NW 3329 Entered July 14, 2021; finished Aug 27, 2021
N830NW 3330 Entered Jan 30, 2022; finished Feb 15, 2022
N831NW 3331 Entered May 2, 2022; finished May 20, 2022

A330-200 PS Mod (3351-3361): 11/11
N851NW 3351 Entered Feb 12, 2022; finished Mar 10, 2022
N852NW 3352 Entered Jan 18, 2022; finished Feb 11, 2022
N853NW 3353 Entered May 19, 2022; finished Jun 15, 2022
N854NW 3354 Entered Dec 20, 2021; finished Jan 23, 2022
N855NW 3355 Entered Mar 11, 2022; finished Mar 26, 2022
N856NW 3356 Entered Feb 19, 2022; finished Mar 7, 2022
N857NW 3357 Entered Aug 11, 2021; finished Sep 29, 2021
N858NW 3358 Entered Nov 14, 2021; finished Dec 17, 2021
N859NW 3359 Entered Oct 15, 2021; finished Nov 13, 2021
N860NW 3360 Entered Jan 24, 2022; finished Feb 19, 2022
N861NW 3361 Entered Dec 17, 2021; finished Jan 17, 2022
*Mods complete. This section will be removed from next month’s list post

767-400 D1 Suite Conversions – J34W20+28Y156: 20/21
N825MH 1801 Entered Feb 19, 2020; finished Sep 10, 2020, delayed due to COVID-19
N826MH 1802 Entered Nov 17, 2019; finished Jan 19, 2020
N827MH 1803 Entered Feb 26, 2020; finished Oct 22, 2020, delayed due to COVID-19
N828MH 1804 Entered Jan 3, 2019; finished Jun 24, 2019
N829MH 1805 Entered Sep 8, 2020; finished Oct 22, 2020
N830MH 1806 Entered Oct 21, 2020; finished Dec 13, 2020
N831MH 1807 Entered Sep 2, 2019; finished Nov 12, 2019
N832MH 1808 Entered Mar 30, 3021; finished May 3, 2021
N833MH 1809 Entered Sep 13, 2019; finished Nov 24, 2019
N834MH 1810 Entered Sep 11, 2019; finished Nov 17, 2019
N835MH 1811 Entered Oct 1, 2019; finished Dec 5, 2019
N836MH 1812 Entered Nov 20, 2019; finished Jan 28, 2020
N837MH 1813 Entered Nov 29, 2019; finished Feb 18, 2020
N838MH 1814 Entered Dec 10, 2019; finished Feb 25, 2020
N839MH 1815 Entered Jan 22, 2020; finished Oct 20, 2020, delayed due to COVID-19
N840MH 1816 Entered Jan 23, 2020; finished Sep 11, 2020, delayed due to COVID-19
N841MH 1817 Ferried to SBD May 12, 2022 for mx prior to D1 mods
N842MH 1818 Entered Feb 22, 2022; finished May 20, 2022
N843MH 1819 Entered Dec 13, 2020; finished Feb 3, 2021
N844MH 1820 Entered Feb 4, 2021; finished Mar 29, 2021
N845MH 1821 Entered Feb 4, 2021; finished Mar 28, 2021

767-300ER 76K Mod (PS seats, new lavs, PED power all seats, LED lighting) – C26W18Y+21Y151: 13
N180DN 180 Entered Jun 18; est. exit Jul 31, 2022
N188DN 188 Entered Apr 8, 2022; finished May 25, 2022
N189DN 189 Entered Mar 29, 2022; finished Apr 29, 2022
N1602 1602 Entered Dec 2, 2021; finished Jan 15, 2022
N1603 1603 Entered May 20; finished Jun 21, 2022
N1604R 1604 Entered Feb 22, 2022; finished Apr 8, 2022
N1605 1605 Entered Apr 29; finished Jun 17, 2022
N16065 1606 Entered Jun 30; est. exit Jul 19, 2022
N172DZ 1702 Entered Oct 8, 2021; finished Dec 6, 2021
N173DZ 1703 Entered Oct 11, 2021; finished Dec 6, 2021
N174DZ 1704 Entered Nov 1, 2021; finished Dec 19, 2021
N175DZ 1705 Entered Dec 6, 2021; finished Jan 12, 2022
N176DZ 1706 Entered Jan 8, 2022; finished Feb 11, 2022
N177DZ 1707 Entered Mar 16, 2022; finished Apr 29 2022
N178DZ 1708 Entered Feb 3, 2021; finished Jun 14, 2021

757-200 IFC: 57 active (62 total w/ 5 parked**)
*Aircraft with ViaSat IFC: 658-660 | 665| 667-676 | 678-679, 681-699 | 5650 | 5652-5657 | 6702| 6704-6717
**Parked 75Ds: 680, 5651, 6700, 6701, 6703
***Mod scope covers only 75Ds at this time. Other sub-fleets are TBA.

737-900ER (ex-Lion Air/Batik Air) / 73R Induction (3931-3959): 0/30
N935DZ 3935 Entered Jun 16, 2022; est. exit TBD
*Work taking place at SAL and VQQ
Oh I forgot. Airframe overhaul is literally the only type of aircraft maintenance. Engines, TRs, APUs, components etc all just get fixed magically by themselves. I hear its done with unicorns that fart rainbows.

Oh and lets be clear, American sends plenty of airplanes to vendors for airframe maintenance......You guys couldn't even get that right.
 
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AA can only outsource 50% of billiae
hours of overhaul. AA currently outsources 40% of maintenance and does 60% in-house.

Can’t say the same Delta.

Nice non-answer and deflection.

And you all fly planes to SIN and CAN for interior mods.
 

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AA can only outsource 50% of billiae
hours of overhaul. AA currently outsources 40% of maintenance and does 60% in-house.

Can’t say the same Delta.

Nice non-answer and deflection.

And you all fly planes to SIN and CAN for interior mods.
I swear. Do any of you know your own contract?

American can outsource 50% billable hours of AIRFRAME overhaul.

so again I will say, apparently the big problem for the AA people is that they think Engines, landing gear, APUs, TRs, Avionics etc are get repaired via unicorn farting rainbows. Engine shop can be completely outsourced other than the JT8, CF6 and CFM56. Component maintenance can be outsourced to a large extent as well. (IIRC your support shops have to be staffed to 20% of the total number of base maintenance)

and again, You should check out where American sends some of its airframe work......
 
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I swear. Do any of you know your own contract?

American can outsource 50% billable hours of AIRFRAME overhaul.

so again I will say, apparently the big problem for the AA people is that they think Engines, landing gear, APUs, TRs, Avionics etc are get repaired via unicorn farting rainbows. Engine shop can be completely outsourced other than the JT8, CF6 and CFM56. Component maintenance can be outsourced to a large extent as well. (IIRC your support shops have to be staffed to 20% of the total number of base maintenance)

and again, You should check out where American sends some of its airframe work......
Nice deflection once again.
Those other items are in the 40% total.
Maybe you have a math issue as it’s clearly defined in the AA M&R CBA.
And yearly audits are performed.

funny have you deflect and ignore your own airline and you own ZERO work.

How much of Delta’s own maintenance do they outsource?

 
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Serious question......do you even know what the f&%k you are talking about?

YOUR CBA forces American to insource the JT8D (retired and gone) the CF6 (only the 80C2 and retired and gone) and the CFM56 (5B and 7 only). Now, I'm going to guess you don't know this......cause I'm not real sure you know much about how anything works......but your next generation aircraft run on CFM LEAP engines (outsourced and nothing forcing the company to bring them in-house) and the GE GEnX (outsourced and nothing forcing the company to bring them in house, and we will ignore that you guess literally don't have the capability to do so without hundreds of millions of dollars.)
So unless you are assuming the CFM56 will live on forever...... guess what happens to your engine shop when American parks the airplanes powered by those engines?

On one hand I don't get how mechanics have let the so much work be outsourced when they have so many chips in their favor.....then I read posts from people like you and it just shows me how incredibly out of touch our craft is. So when management sits down to negotiate a deal they are going up against 5 year olds. Makes your turd of a post merger contract make a lot more sense. Shame, you guess had a chance and every thing on your side to really turn the tides. Instead pissed away the opportunity.

........dude. Sometimes I really don't know what to do with you.

airline data project pulls numbers from SEC reports and does the math themselves. Nice people, open to questions. Email them and as why they haven't updated.

And I hate to break it to you, mechanics per tail just show inefficiency. Unions love the stat because it is Mechanics per tail *that are paying us union dues....woohooo
Union shills like you love it, because the TWU tells you to love it and frankly you have proven in this two post that you are so ignorant to what is going on at your own airline much less the rest of the industry that you don't know any better.
Just like "huurrrr durrrrrrr we need nothing but A&Ps touching airplane parts" "Well look at our mechanic per tail" is one of those dumbass industrial union things that just shows they are still mentally stuck in 1974 and why they are constantly losing work to other countries and companies. Its all about having so many mechanics they can be lazy as hell. Its also why your union hates MRO work, you actually have to be mildly efficient to bid on MRO work these days. United is finally starting to figure out though i fear itll be too late for them.
You guys will be USAir 2.0 once current generation aircraft leave. Above 50% of your airframe overhaul, hand full of backshops and everything else going to vendors. Congrats I guess.

Oh I forgot. Airframe overhaul is literally the only type of aircraft maintenance. Engines, TRs, APUs, components etc all just get fixed magically by themselves. I hear its done with unicorns that fart rainbows.

Oh and lets be clear, American sends plenty of airplanes to vendors for airframe maintenance......You guys couldn't even get that right.

What you don’t understand or I suppose care about is Mechanics per Aircraft absolutely does incorporate in house maintenance that is absolutely not just AMT’s. Under DFR Unions are supposed to represent all who fall under the classification of Mechanic and related. And yet AMFA represents around 50 Facilities Maintenance personnel who make over $10 per hour less than those represented by the TWU at AA. As a matter of fact those AMFA “skilled” members make even less than TWU represented Fleet Service.

BTW glad you know about all these different types of engines. All I know is how many overall in house jobs we have at AA against what SWA has for mechanics. And I also know that AA has been hiring like crazy. I’m sure you’re right about different engines going bye bye in the future. Hasn’t that happened since the days of Orville and Wilbur though.

Maybe the TWU/IAM Association will negotiate to work on all the new engines that come their way and maybe some they won’t. Maybe AMFA will one day gain overhaul work after we die and maybe they won’t. But I’m talking today.

Today the question is very simple. Among the big 4 Airlines where are people most likely to be able to find employment. SWA is not that place.
 
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I swear. Do any of you know your own contract?

American can outsource 50% billable hours of AIRFRAME overhaul.

so again I will say, apparently the big problem for the AA people is that they think Engines, landing gear, APUs, TRs, Avionics etc are get repaired via unicorn farting rainbows. Engine shop can be completely outsourced other than the JT8, CF6 and CFM56. Component maintenance can be outsourced to a large extent as well. (IIRC your support shops have to be staffed to 20% of the total number of base maintenance)

and again, You should check out where American sends some of its airframe work......

Hey Dawg tell you what. Since you seem to claim to be an expert on the TWU AA AMT Contract and we don’t know what we’re talking about why don’t you go put this guy in his place? This is the main guy who negotiated that contract. I know for a fact that unlike AMFA he won’t block you if you’re beating him in the debate or argument. AMFA blocked just about everyone who challenged them.

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