Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[southwind]

which one is that? (I figure it has to be AMFA but i am curious) 
 
Saying you are going to call ATG on any of us when we post something is threatening.

You are correct. Why not be represented by a group specifically started to represent my profession, instead of being lumped into a pool of other professions, that might not include my best interest!

And the same for other professions....why would ramp want representation that might have another groups interest higher on the to do list?

And I still believe that was part of the Eastern employees problem, too many groups represented by the same union!

And agree, "NO ONES" job should be threatened for voicing their opinion, on these forums, especially by someone who doesn't work for that company!

 

[WorldTraveler]

the same thing happened at NW, southwind.
 
the IAM represented way too much.
 
and for the 30,000th time, no one has been threatened.
 
People who believe that they have no protection should quit hiding behind the very protections they have enjoyed since the merger.
 
We're not talking about voicing opinions. Anyone can have an opinion.  But they also have to accept the consequences of their choices. 
 
it is the height of hypocrisy for a few people on here to be arguing about the lack of scope and protection that they have while enjoying exactly that protection.
 
Those who think they are so bad off should live under the rules they think they live under, not the actual protections the company has provided for them. 

 

[topDawg]

You are correct. Why not be represented by a group specifically started to represent my profession, instead of being lumped into a pool of other professions, that might not include my best interest!

And the same for other professions....why would ramp want representation that might have another groups interest higher on the to do list?

And I still believe that was part of the Eastern employees problem, too many groups represented by the same union!

And agree, "NO ONES" job should be threatened for voicing their opinion, on these forums, especially by someone who doesn't work for that company!

agreed. 100%. Only union i would join is AMFA or an in-house union. 
 

I never said that I wasn't afraid of letting people have opinions.
 
I am saying that people should live with the choices they make.
 
To decry DL's lack of scope while benefitting from it is the height of hypocrisy.
 
If people believe people has no scope or job protections, then let the chips fall where they fall.
 
glad it pisses you off.
 
It pisses me off to see people 6 years after the merger or decades into their DL employment failing to grasp what DL has provided, living behind a keyboard with the benefits of what DL provides, and still complaining that they have nothing.
 
If DL really has nothing, then there should be absolutely nothing to fear but the reality which they think exists.
 
the only threat is one's own choice to believe they have no protections. 

So you need to make threats because you can't figure out labor laws? 
 
I have a better idea, know what you are talking about and that will make things better. Calling mommy isn't going to make you smarter Leo. 

 

[Kev3188]

Boom.

You can't "hide behind" something that doesn't exist.

And like I said earlier, eliminating this childish culture of tattling is one of larger drivers of card signing.

 

[southwind]

Boom.
You can't "hide behind" something that doesn't exist.
And like I said earlier, eliminating this childish culture of tattling is one of larger drivers of card signing.

And what about the threats and intimidations, potential voters receive from pro-union people to get on board.....or are you going to tell me "That" doesn't happen also?

 

[Kev3188]

the same thing happened at NW, southwind.
 

No it didn't.

 

[Kev3188]

And what about the threats and intimidations, potential voters receive from pro-union people to get on board.....or are you going to tell me "That" doesn't happen also?

Yes I am going to tell you that. If you have seen or experienced anything of the sort, you should immediately report it to the proper authority.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not sure why you have you panties all in a wad about having to live with the consequences of your beliefs.

as you have repeatedly noted, DL pays its non-union employees a premium in order to remain non-union.

if my perceived threats cut DL's labor expenses - which by the most recent 10K for AA, DL, and UA are the highest for the big 3 - then as a stockholder I win.

If you want to give up pay because you THINK someone on the internet is threatening you, then I have truly won and you truly are just a frightened little child.

 

[Kev3188]

It's not a contest, but if you somehow need it to be one in order to feel validated, go right ahead.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no one said anything about a contest.

You are the one that is freaking out because you might have to live with the consequences of your choices.

Your choices clearly aren't based on much conviction if you feel threatened at the thought of living with the full package of benefits and costs based on your choices.

 

[Kev3188]

Lol. Yeah, ok.

Like I said, at least have the conviction to own what you write.

Meanwhile, the cards for ACS continue to pour in...

 

[WorldTraveler]

if an anonymous voice on the internet can cause DL people to choose representation under fears of threats and in so doing cut their own pay, then I truly pity the rationality (or really lack thereof) of the unionistas at DL.

you were right, Kevin, when you said that DL pays its non-contract employees a premium to stay non-union.

It is amazing and highly telling how you are afraid to own that statement now.

 

[southwind]

Lol. Yeah, ok.
Like I said, at least have the conviction to own what you write.
Meanwhile, the cards for ACS continue to pour in...

And where exactly did you retain this information, since you and 700 contend the IAM keeps the card count a closely guarded secret?

You would think if union representation was a highly valued concept, it wouldn't take years for people, so inclined, to turn in a card!

 

[Kev3188]

It's a given that DL will pay any price to maintain autocracy. Having to go back and "own" that would be like having to own a post about the sun rising in the east.

 

[Kev3188]

And where exactly did you retain this information, since you and 700 contend the IAM keeps the card count a closely guarded secret?

In my mind, since they're usually returned to me to mail in?

The friends I talk to around the system doing the same thing?

The texts people send asking if I have more cards, 'cause they ran out?