Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[topDawg]

Worst Scope?
Dude you are taking a play out of World Fraudsters book.
 
35% of the total maintenance budget is more outsourcing than 50% of HMV billable hours.
 
UA outsources most heavy as does WN.
US does more airframes inhouse than anyone.
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/57308-united-overhauling-airbuss-in-california/
 
The IAM was in Section 6 negotiations and just got a bridge agreement last summer until they go into JCBA with AA.

I'm sorry but I'm not. 
 
AA does about 30% of its MX work in-house
Delta is at about 40-42%.
United is at about 50% 
US is at about 55%. (all of 4% below Southwest BTW) 
 
so yes, clearly US has the worst scope of the 4. 
 
 
and It looks like Delta might get back into the 30s in the next few years as 330 come in-house, more components and nearly 200 engines as of right now. As i have said they are also looking about bringing more than 300 engines in-house on other types. 
 
 
and again i will ask, why didn't the IAM try to get more work in-house instead of doing nothing. Signing a bridge agreement with 50% outsourcing is yet another stupid move from the IAM. 

 

[700UW]

US outsource components, more than 50% of all air frames are in-house, so explain how its the worst?
 
No line maintenance is farmed out at all
 
The 50% was gotten in 2008, not last CBA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

dawg,
there is no reason to argue with 699 about the level of outsourcing.

just like with the definition of pension, 699 makes up his own definitions even if the entire rest of the world disagrees with him.

you and I know full well that US has the highest level of outsourcing among US legacy carriers and has only improved its PERCNENTAGE of outsourcing because they have cut the amount of outsourcing but their ENTIRE maintenance budget has not grown and neither has the amount of work they do inhouse.

they are just sending less work out because they are getting rid of older aircraft.

the IAM had nothing to do with US' fleet replacement and didn't get any more work for IAM workers.

 

[topDawg]

US outsource components, more than 50% of all air frames are in-house, so explain how its the worst?

So wait a second, US can outsource all they want in engines and components but only has a limit on airframe overhauls? 
 
You can see how that is worse than United and American having outsourcing limits on ALL work period? 
 
 

The 50% was gotten in 2008, not last CBA.

I understand that. I am saying that in your last CBA that IAM did nothing with a terrible scope section and that is a good union? 

 

[700UW]

The scope was abrogated in 2005 in Chapter 11, they have gotten 50% of HMV back in-house in 2008.
 
US decided to negotiate with AA and its unions, and not the IAM, that was the hold up, then the merger was announced, so they secured a bridge agreement and waiting to go into JCBA with the TWU.
 
35% of the whole maintenance budget is more than what US outsources.

That 35% includes, parts, etc that AA spends in their maintenance budget and AA also farms out line, US doesnt.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, US has brought no new work inhouse.

US has just reduced the amount of outsourcing as it has replaced older aircraft.

the statistics are provided by the DOT.

We know you think you know it all but when you say stuff in one afternoon that contradicts the IRS, DOL, and DOT, it is clear you aren't in tune with the way the real world works.

 

[topDawg]

The scope was abrogated in 2005 in Chapter 11, they have gotten 50% of HMV back in-house in 2008.
 
US decided to negotiate with AA and its unions, and not the IAM, that was the hold up, then the merger was announced, so they secured a bridge agreement and waiting to go into JCBA with the TWU.
 
35% of the whole maintenance budget is more than what US outsources.
That 35% includes, parts, etc that AA spends in their maintenance budget and AA also farms out line, US doesnt.

yes I know what happened. IAM was spineless and sucked again. 
 
and no. US sends out way, way more work than AA does. Unless the DOT is wrong. 

 

[Kev3188]

Anyone want to share how much work the DL ramp has *lost* post-merger?

How 'bout a list of new points?

 

[topDawg]

Anyone want to share how much work the DL ramp has *lost* post-merger?

How 'bout a list of new points?

zero on the last one. sadly. 
 
way to many stations well over what the limit should be. 

 

[eolesen]

Leo and Ron aren't still under no competes. It has been almost 20 years for Ron and 12 or so for Leo.....

Well, I don't know about you, but the day I have enough in the bank where I never have to work again is the day I stop working.

Something tells me Leo and Ron hit that goal and then some. Why should they want to put up with the day to day BS of running a company if they don't need to anymore?

 

[WorldTraveler]

because money doesn't motivate all people... .or at least there are stronger motivators.

and when is "enough" really enough? hard for many people to set a goal, say they have enough when they get there, and then really walk away.

as for ACS, it is more notable that DOT reports show that DL spends more on the category of personnel that equates with ACS than any other US airline including the combination of AA and US for that category.

 

[southwind]

When are you ever going to be honest, instead of lying and being world fraudster?
 
The language was ALREADY in the IAM Fleet CBA and was for years, the ramp did more ancillary duties even before AMFA went out on strike.
 
When AMFA walked NW imposed new terms on maintenance and took away, receipt and dispatch, airstarts, and deicing.

The language was already in the IAM CBA.
 
The members voted down one CBA at UA,. and ratified the second, the members ratified it, not the Negotiating Committee, not the District and not the International.
 
Is that too hard to understand the members used their democratic right and approved the TA at UA?

Doesn't make a rats ass, whether it was already in the language or not. The IAM performed "STRUCK WORK" . That means they were no better than the scabs, NW hired to replace the striking mechanics, in my book.
And if the IAM ever goes on strike and even if they end up representing some DL employees, you won't hear me complain, when people and other unions cross "THEIR" picket line!

 

[swamt]

No disrespect to any union member.  But it is quite comical to sit here and watch 2 people go back and forth over the last few pages, and it's all about the 2 worst unions out there on who is really the worst when it comes to scope.  Now think about our fellow mechanics over at AA where it is looking like they may get forced into an alliance/association by the combination of these 2 worst unions TWU and IAM. Still hoping for some "other" options to come to our fellow mechanics at AA...

 

[Airlinelifer]

"No dispespect to any union member". Coming from a guy that lands at a company that was basically printing money for the last 30 years. Way to go SW, we will never know the angst you've endured.

 

[700UW]