Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

uh, basic math.

the number of union members and the workgroups they were in is quite public information. same for DL.

I'm not talking about A cards, Kevin. I'm talking about union membership cards.

 

[WeAAsles]

I've been reading the pro IAM FA, FB page all day. It's a pleasure to watch and know that very soon we will have a new organized group in the Airline Industry. From the hundreds of posters I'm reading things from I have zero doubt in their future success. They are absolutely polarized and energized by the success of the APFA and are excited about their own futures guiding their own destinies.

 

[WorldTraveler]

except that the vast majority of those employees are not DL employees.



and even if there were, there would have to be over 10K of them in order to get a new union at DL.


given that even Meto keeps asking the question of where all the other DL employees are and why this site is polluted with input from other airline employees trying to tell DL employees they need a union, the only real measure of union success at DL is at the ballot box.It isn't happening.

Zero and Zero.

that's the number of union successes at DL.

if you want to include the number of former NW employees who used to belong to unions and do not now, the number is about 30K. Kev knows the number but isn't about to admit it.

It's also in NW and DL's 10Ks at the time of the merger.

you'll have to fund the union's executive expense accounts out of your paycheck.

DL employees won't be participating.

 

[southwind]

 

 
To be honest , I really don't care whether ramp and the F/A's unionize but, in the past the majority hasn't shared your pov and actually why it's a "whiff"!
​for the FAs it was less than 1000 on the last vote. more and more are starting to share his point of view. 
Of course, you wouldn't mind, if DL ramp were unionized and went on strike, if another union crossed your picket line, to perform the struck work, right?
Happened at NW.
 
 when?

 

I'm sure Kev could fill you in.
 

I've been reading the pro IAM FA, FB page all day. It's a pleasure to watch and know that very soon we will have a new organized group in the Airline Industry. From the hundreds of posters I'm reading things from I have zero doubt in their future success. They are absolutely polarized and energized by the success of the APFA and are excited about their own futures guiding their own destinies.

Err, doubt very seriously, you would see many negative views, on a union run site, who's trying to promote itself. See any rainbows or unicorns, while there?

 

[Kev3188]

I'm not talking about A cards, Kevin. I'm talking about union membership cards.

Yes I know.

And it's just as silly of premise now as it was before you felt the need to WT 'splain it to me...

 

[Kev3188]

except that the vast majority of those employees are not DL employees.

How do you know that?

and even if there were, there would have to be over 10K of them in order to get a new union at DL.

That assumes all people signing cards are on FB *and* members of the pages WeAAsles is talking about. That's a silly assumption.

Zero and Zero.

that's the number of union successes at DL.

Still going with that, huh?

You reallyreallyreally sure it's zero?

if you want to include the number of former NW employees who used to belong to unions and do not now, the number is about 30K. Kev knows the number but isn't about to admit it.

No, actually I don't know.

...And honestly don't care. I'm too busy looking forward.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm sure Kev could fill you in.
 

Err, doubt very seriously, you would see many negative views, on a union run site, who's trying to promote itself. See any rainbows or unicorns, while there?

Actually there are a small few anti union peeps on that page and unlike the COMPANY run FB page they do not kick off people who have opposing views from the majority.

I think maybe you should try doing some searching in other areas if you truly want to get a gauge on how your co workers feel? The 5 or 6 of us who engage each other here by far is not giving you a true pulse.  

 

[700UW]

 

[WeAAsles]

Well doesn't that certainly look interesting.

 

[700UW]

As does this:
 

 
DALLAS (TheStreet) -- American Airlines flight attendant leaders were ready to send a tentative agreement out to members Wednesday morning when they learned that Delta was giving its employees a 4% raise in April.
 
So Laura Glading, president of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, went back to American CEO Doug Parker and President Scott Kirby to ask for more -- and got it.
 

 

[swamt]

No problem!
 
License premium is $2.13 (max of 2)
 
Line pay is .75/hr.
 
Shift differential is: .45 for 2nd shift & .52 for 3rd
 
No longevity pay that I'm aware of.

Good.  Glad to hear.  Congrats to you all enjoying the increases and profitability...
BTW, I read today where the AA F/A's went back to the company after coming to a TA and gave props to the Delta F/A's and this recent raise for them going back to the company and asking for more to bring AA F/A's in line with the Delta F/A's.  But, they still do not get to enjoy any Profit Sharing as the Delta folks do.  At least they gave thanks where thanks was deserved.  Hopefully the raises at Delta will also help the mechanics group (as well as others) at AA when coming to agreements for the combined groups...

 

[southwind]

As does this:
 
DALLAS (TheStreet) -- American Airlines flight attendant leaders were ready to send a tentative agreement out to members Wednesday morning when they learned that Delta was giving its employees a 4% raise in April.
 
So Laura Glading, president of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, went back to American CEO Doug Parker and President Scott Kirby to ask for more -- and got it.
 

Hmm, unions riding the coat tails of non-union employees.............imagine that!
 

Good.  Glad to hear.  Congrats to you all enjoying the increases and profitability...
BTW, I read today where the AA F/A's went back to the company after coming to a TA and gave props to the Delta F/A's and this recent raise for them going back to the company and asking for more to bring AA F/A's in line with the Delta F/A's.  But, they still do not get to enjoy any Profit Sharing as the Delta folks do.  At least they gave thanks where thanks was deserved.  Hopefully the raises at Delta will also help the mechanics group (as well as others) at AA when coming to agreements for the combined groups...

With statements about the profit sharing, non-union DL employees receive vs, the zero profit sharing union employees receive, your not helping "The Cause"!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Well doesn't that certainly look interesting.

all it says is that AA and other carriers have senior FA workforces while DL and US have been hiring thousands of FAs who enter the ranks as lower paid employees as of the date of the statistics that were cited.

Since right after 9/11, DL has offered far more early outs than other carriers which accelerates the shift of the workforce to lower on the pay scale.

The cost/ASM for any workgroup reflects not just the scale employees are on but more importantly the number of employees at each point on the scale.

 

[diamondcutter]

all it says is that AA and other carriers have senior FA workforces while DL and US have been hiring thousands of FAs who enter the ranks as lower paid employees as of the date of the statistics that were cited.Since right after 9/11, DL has offered far more early outs than other carriers which accelerates the shift of the workforce to lower on the pay scale.The cost/ASM for any workgroup reflects not just the scale employees are on but more importantly the number of employees at each point on the scale.

BS again trying to spin . AA started to hire when US did . AA offered 40, 000 buy outs and about 2,400 took it!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

Hmm, unions riding the coat tails of non-union employees.............imagine that!
 
With statements about the profit sharing, non-union DL employees receive vs, the zero profit sharing union employees receive, your not helping "The Cause"!

Are you now purposefully trying to ignore this statement and the Airline Financials chart? BTW that chart only represnts the 2013 rates. When you factor in a full year of the APFA's secured new compensation package the difference between the two groups is going to be even far more stark. Delta FA's are being left behind and when ratified they will be at the BOTTOM against all their peers. 
 
"The APFA estimated that the value of those contracts is about $111 million below the existing market rate, including the Delta raises.
 
The $193 million figure includes $50 million as the anticipated value of profit-sharing, which American unions do not have.
 
"Doug Parker has been clear that he doesn't think profit-sharing gets the type of response [from employees] it needs," Glading said. "He didn't want it in the contract and he was willing to give us a premium so we would give up profit-sharing. We looked at it and determined we were talking about $50 million a year in value. It all went smoothly."
 
From the union's point of view, fixed permanent wage increases trump the possibility of share pricehttp://www.thestreet.com/story/1289...-thanks-to-delta.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO# gains.