Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[southwind]

It's not an issue of personal responsibility; it's about expecting the same accountability from the company that they expect from us.

So your saying if the company isn't providing a certain safety feature, it's cool to not fasten your seatbelt!

there isn't a single active DL employee who has posted on this site that DL left FAs without hotels while accommodating pilots.
 

It's ok, everything 700 post's, is true!

 

[Kev3188]

We far enough out inta' the weeds for you guys yet?

 

[metopower]

I'll answer that question from my own experience. S happens and it has happened to me. Also if you were to take a picture in the pilot lounge you would find pilots sleeping in black chairs as well. Only difference is none of them posted anything ...unlike some passengers up on the concourse at least they had a place to go.

 

[robbedagain]

Fair enough meto. Thanks for explaining it from ur experience.

 

[700UW]

Remember Delta's 2010 election slogan, "Keep Delta Our Delta"? Check out the new flyer and please print and distribute of your co-workers.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

well obviously DL employees succeeded at keeping DL their DL and keeping the unions out.

Could there have been a greater loss for organized labor in the airline industry than the day when the DL-NW merger was announced and the subsequent votes that resulted in tens of thousands of union membership cards, including largely from the IAM, being torn up?

it was indeed a great day for DL people. They are still reaping benefits from that decision today.

 

[eolesen]

Could there have been a greater loss for organized labor in the airline industry than the day when the DL-NW merger was announced and the subsequent votes that resulted in tens of thousands of union membership cards, including largely from the IAM, being torn up?

Uh, there most certainly were far worse losses for organized labor.

The shutdown of Continental and Lorenzo locking out the unions was probably far more damaging.

Maybe it was the day that Larry Handelsman announced that the world had changed, and 9,000 Pan Am employees wound up out on the street without the safety net they'd been led to believe by DL would be there.

Or how about the day that the union-led ESOP at UAL collapsed, taking with it over $4B in employee stock?

Yeah, I'd say those were far darker days than losing a representation vote at DL was.

Those were very real losses. There can always be another representation vote, and I'm pretty sure there will be at some point.

 

[WorldTraveler]

unions didn't get voted out BY THE EMPLOYEES at CO.

the employees - the people who still have the right to vote in labor - have said NO at DL.

Mgmt beat the unions at CO.

Even if you factor in the CO event, how many unionized employees did CO have at the time Lorenzo busted the unions?

UALs ESOP collapse cost how many union memberships?

DL EMPLOYEES have beat OFF the unions.

 

[700UW]

The laws were different back when Lorenzo raped CO and it's employees, CBA'S back then were treated like any other business contact and were voided. The laws were changed due to what Lorenzo did and he is the only man banned from owning running or being part of any airline. Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[WorldTraveler]

that's all fine and I don't disagree but the question is how many unionized employees CO had at the time of the BK and how many unionized jobs were lost.

I don't think they had anywhere close to the 20 to 25K NW employees who became non-union employees during the DL merger.

And again it is the EMPLOYEES of DL, not mgmt., that decided that unionization wasn't for them.

Unless someone has numbers to show otherwise, I still would bet that the DL-NW merger was the single largest event for the loss of union memberships in the airline industry and likely one of the largest - by employee choice - in the history of American business.

and, again, it was EMPLOYEE CHOICE that made that decision.

 

[700UW]

Probably EA or CO, not NW.

 

[eolesen]

Hmmm. You seem to think that the IAM losing the dues from 25,000 members was worse for organized labor than the loss of 12,000 jobs (which is how many were lost at CO in 1984), or the loss of 9,000 jobs at PA.

Yep, losing union dues is definitely a darker day for organized labor than seeing jobs eliminated from the workforce.

Not.

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

Hmmm. You seem to think that the IAM losing the dues from 25,000 members was worse for organized labor than the loss of 12,000 jobs (which is how many were lost at CO in 1984), or the loss of 9,000 jobs at PA.

Yep, losing union dues is definitely a darker day for organized labor than seeing jobs eliminated from the workforce.

Not.

I know we dont see eye to eye on a lot of things, but spot on Eric with your post!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Hmmm. You seem to think that the IAM losing the dues from 25,000 members was worse for organized labor than the loss of 12,000 jobs (which is how many were lost at CO in 1984), or the loss of 9,000 jobs at PA.

Yep, losing union dues is definitely a darker day for organized labor than seeing jobs eliminated from the workforce.

Not.

I didn't talk about the loss of JOBS. We all recognize that losing jobs was worse.

I specifically said that the issue was the loss of UNION MEMBERSHIPS.

AND on that regard - by the decision of DL employees - there were more UNION MEMBERSHIPS lost because DL employees - including their PMNW peers - had the CHOICE to vote out a union than with probably any other event in the history of the airline industry.