Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

 

[Kev3188]

Like I said earlier: "doubt is a very powerful tool" = understatement of the year.

 

[eolesen]

Would you have a link to support that (other than to a wikipedia article)?   For some people, sure, the 401k was to supplement.    For others, it was the modern replacement for a DB plan.

I don't have much to support it, but the way that the Federal government and most legacy companies interpreted and implemented 401K, it was indeed intended to be a supplement to a traditional pension, and not a replacement. Even today, it's still not a replacement for Federal employees.

It was the proverbial third leg of the retirement stool -- government providing social security, the employer providing a pension, and the employee having their own savings.

What happened in my opinion is that 401K turned into just another in a long line of unintended consequences for legislation drafted during the Carter regime... Startups quickly figured out that by only offering a 401(K) it was not only a safer financial bet, but it also carried considerably less administrative overhead than a traditional pension did.

As we've seen in so many other areas of business, where the startups saw an opportunity to blaze new trail, the legacies eventually followed. Except for government, of course. They're still stuck in the past.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the AA agent vote will be the PERFECT test to show what unions can do for employees and how fast they can deliver.

I am sure that a lot of DL employees will be justifiably waiting to see results

 

[robbedagain]

well the CWA won by a 86.2 or so percentage  pretty good there   Hope DL is next to become UNION

 

[WeAAsles]

well the CWA won by a 86.2 or so percentage  pretty good there   Hope DL is next to become UNION

Delta becoming fully Union organized is inevitable. Everyone is now pretty much organized in the industry and it's almost ridiculous to continue to fight against the tide. The drumbeat against it will slowly begin to fade soon.

 

[737823]

Delta becoming fully Union organized is inevitable. Everyone is now pretty much organized in the industry and it's almost ridiculous to continue to fight against the tide. The drumbeat against it will slowly begin to fade soon.

Ask the unorganized sCO agents how well the IAM worked out for them.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Delta becoming fully Union organized is inevitable. Everyone is now pretty much organized in the industry and it's almost ridiculous to continue to fight against the tide. The drumbeat against it will slowly begin to fade soon.

 
Right now, mgmt. at the station level is doing more to drive card signing than any activist could ever hope for. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Delta becoming fully Union organized is inevitable. Everyone is now pretty much organized in the industry and it's almost ridiculous to continue to fight against the tide. The drumbeat against it will slowly begin to fade soon.

it is absolutely amazing how people on the AA forum are saying that the unions won because of years of what mgmt. did at AA.

No one here can admit - this is after all a pro-union website with pro-union activists as the gatekeepers - that the very reason why DL employees have CONSISTENTLY voted against unions is because 1. they can look at unionized airlines and see that DL employees consistently fair as good as if not better than their peers at unionized airlines and 2. because mgmt. in most of the rest of the industry has the unions that they deserve.

Parker isn't afraid of unions - he managed to have a heavily unionized workforce and still keep them paid at the bottom of the industry.

clearly, DL employees and mgmt. have decided to pursue a different path and the mere fact that DL employees have voted over and over again against further unionization is proof.

The fact that one airline after another has voted in unions while nothing has changed at DL since the merger is prime evidence of why DL is different.

again, let's see how well and how soon AA agents gain from their vote. Their pockets will be lighter because of the union dues, that is for sure.

 

[robbedagain]

again WT that was in the past   this is the now   the future  YOu are just soo scared of seeing your preciously beloved wiget go UNION   the pressure is on.   and kev even noted mgmt is helping to drive the card home   gee i wonder why that is

 

[WorldTraveler]

robbed, you have no personal knowledge of what DL does now or did at any time.

It's not a matter of my beloved widget.

It is a matter of the clear will of DL employees which has been repeatedly been known.

And, despite hearing from only a literal handful of employees on this site out of 60,000 non-union Delta employees, there has been no change in the representation status of DL employees in the now SIX YEARS since the merger was consummated.


I wonder why you can't respect the will of the majority of DL employees.

 

[robbedagain]

I cant understand why u cant respect the fact u HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON n the fact that kev has stated the atmosphere is far different now than during ur time

 

[737823]

again WT that was in the past   this is the now   the future  YOu are just soo scared of seeing your preciously beloved wiget go UNION   the pressure is on.   and kev even noted mgmt is helping to drive the card home   gee i wonder why that is

Probably because DL doesn't respect nor fear the IAM and an employee work group becoming organized wouldn't break the company. Sure it would limit managements ability to change policies unilaterally but even with a union they would largely still be able to do as they please, just look at AA, UA, and US.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

I cant understand why u cant respect the fact u HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON n the fact that kev has stated the atmosphere is far different now than during ur time

What?

I hate to break it to you but Kev is ONE person. There are 59,999 or so other employees.

Kev gets one and only one vote - if a vote is ever called again for his workgroup. There are about 10,000 other employees in his workgroup who will also get to vote.

Respect is recognizing that the majority of DL employees have no interest in unions; they voted repeatedly against them at the time of the merger and 6 years later there are still no further votes scheduled.

The will of DL employees has been expressed. Respect is acknowledging their choice.

Reality is looking at the landscape of the industry and seeing the number of other airline employees who have chosen to become unionized - and then it makes it very easy to compare what they have obtained for their vote and why DL people - employees and mgmt. - have chosen to continue with a system that clearly works at DL even where it doesn't at other airlines.

 

[700UW]

Look more work coming in-house at US and AA: