Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

It wasnt work on the side I worked over 80 hours a week with limited time off.

So keep up the lies and misinformation since you have to make it about me and not the topic at hand.

I took those months off of working events for my company.

 

[topDawg]

and that is precisely the point....
if the unionization effort actually mattered, there WOULD BE DL employees besides Kevin who would be here trying to push a union agenda.

no if a forum is a dead forum its going to be a dead forum union drive or not. 
 

there are no union-supporting FAs that regularly frequent this board.

and there is all of one non-union supporting FA here. Whats your point?
 

why is that? and why don't the supposedly thousands of people who have signed cards engage in the process?

because they don't want to post here? Idk your the one who constantly speaks for Delta employees not me. 

 

because there simply are very few DL employees who really want a union... they want higher pay and are willing to threaten the company with a union but they aren't willing to vote in a union or work to make one happen.

so you have also polled every Delta employee and asked them this too? care to share some data.....? 

 

DL employees understand that they aren't going to get paid vastly more than their peers at other airlines including those whose mgmt. has convinced their union leaders - against the will of many members - that profit sharing doesn't matter.

Again life isn't just about pay. I have talked to rampers who are wanting to make a deal to just have scope. They (rightly so) are worried Delta will cave to wall street and send most of the ramp out like they have done with other parts of the company. higher cost or not. 
 
Quite a few are willing to basically keep the status quo just get a scope clause. 
 

you aren't going to get most of the data you think you need because it doesn't exist.

then quit posting all the crap you do. You just admitted you don't know what your talking about right here......
 

I doubt very seriously that even AA, DL, or UA know the amount of employees that are involved in each dept. as you think you need to know.

I don't need to know it. I also don't make stupid statements like how over staffed a company is, or how much better this work group has it without real data. you do. You haven't got the smallest clue about the terms employees work at unless it becomes a talking point for Anderson. Thats why all you can talk about is profit sharing and pay. You know nothing else. 

 

and all of your obsession with tiny little pieces of data only serves to prove that you don't really want to believe the big picture data which is readily available and shows that DL employees are productive because they aren't burdened by union inefficiencies and DL employees have interests that are aligned with the company.

Is this guy kidding? you just summed up yourself in one post. 
 

which explains to a great deal why 700 and not DL employees post those e-posters.

again, no it doesn't. Delta has a hand full of employees here most of which don't have a dog in this fight. 700 is posting things just like you do. It is funny to me how your giving him crap about it when you do the exact same s**t every day. 

 

[700UW]

Just for you WT:
 

 

[737823]

I'll call both hotels and ask how many people showed up like I did for the steak house in Queens.
 
Josh

 

[topDawg]

Just for you WT:
 

oh I can't wait for the response to this. 
 

I'll call both hotels and ask how many people showed up like I did for the steak house in Queens.
 
Josh

and then in a few weeks are you going to tell us you work for them also? 

 

[Kev3188]

no if a forum is a dead forum its going to be a dead forum union drive or not.

Exactly.
 

Again life isn't just about pay.

+1

I think people would be surprised at where pay comes in on many people's wish list. In my experience, it's rarely a strictly economic issue like pay that is driving card signings.

WT can't grasp (cha-ching!) that, because it doesn't match his experience at DL. Things like seniority/scope/safety/transparency wrt transfers aren't something that's relevant to life in the G.O.

That in of itself isn't good or bad. It just is.

Just for you WT:
 

Oh yeah; I forgot about the QR codes; another place people can "see" this sort of info.
 
 

I'll call both hotels and ask how many people showed up like I did for the steak house in Queens.
 
Josh

Good for you.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Exactly.
 


+1

I think people would be surprised at where pay comes in on many people's wish list. In my experience, it's rarely a strictly economic issue like pay that is driving card signings.

WT can't grasp (cha-ching!) that, because it doesn't match his experience at DL. Things like seniority/scope/safety/transparency wrt transfers aren't something that's relevant to life in the G.O.

since DL is far ahead of its peers in terms of economic issues, what else could you argue needs to be fixed other than gray, unmeasurable issues like QOL that mean very different things to different people?

and I absolutely wanted more pay and all the rest when I was at DL. but I was smart enough to look around and at my peers and see reality - and then speak up internally not swhat mattered.

I GRASPED that a union couldn't deliver what the company wasn't willing to give.

we are seeing that exactly issue at another AAirline.

 

[Kev3188]

 

since DL is far ahead of its peers in terms of economic issues, what else could you argue needs to be fixed other than gray, unmeasurable issues like QOL that mean very different things to different people?

The fact that you have to ask (rhetorically or not) proves my point about you not being able to relate.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, Kev, it is a statement of fact that DL employees ARE NOT going to succeed in arguing that they are undercompensated relative to their peers.

sure, you can argue about QOL or non-economic issues but those mean very different things for different people.

and the endless "he's gone and can't relate" mindset belies the obvious reality that DL employees are not seeking unions as a solution in the numbers necessary to gain them. it's a democratic process which means the majority of your peers have to agree with you.

they don't.

which means I am a whole lot more in touch with reality than you think.

your perspectives are real and valid... but they aren't the majority.

 

[700UW]

You clearly don't get it. Its notcall about compensation.

 

[robbedagain]

scope is just as important if not more important than pay   can you grasp that WT    Scope is something DL folks do not have  with the exception being the pilots and dispatchers  period   can you comprehend that????????????

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, robbed. DL employees do have scope.

It isn't in writing but the fact that DL has its own people in more stations than any either AA or UA speaks far louder than any document which has done nothing to stop the closure of stations by AA and UA

You clearly don't get it. Its notcall about compensation.

of course it is not ... since AA and UA have been left in the dust by DL's compensation policies.

when you get to gray areas like QOL, every person sees it different ... and there are many, many people who aren't willing to trade a dime of pay for "improved QOL" which pretty well says that what DL offers in work rules is not as onerous as some people want to claim it is.

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[Kev3188]

Only you have decided to lump every item outside of base rates into a "gray QOL area."
 
Most people can list very specific items that resonate on a system level.
 
Again, I don't expect you to grasp (cha-ching!) that- it's not relatable to how/where you spent the bulk of your career. That's not good or bad- it just is...

 

[700UW]

Hey Kevin,

What scope protection do you have?

 

[Kev3188]

I don't have any...