Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[swamt]

I see he is still crawling from the questions, how typical of him...

 

[Kev3188]

Meanwhile, the majority of DL flight attendants are busy working to improve the direction of their careers.

 

[WorldTraveler]

that is what rational people do.

Threatening the company with unionization in order to get more pay and bennies is a strategy that the FAs have used very effectively not once, not twice, but three times before.

let's see if they really believe that they can extract more with threats or using a union that has failed over and over again at other airlines to produce results better than what DL employees get

 

[Kev3188]

 

that is what rational people do.

Indeed.

I'm happy that ~12k of my coworkers have taken that first step.

 

[WorldTraveler]

they were doing it long before the IAM filed for a vote, Kevin.

they just use different strategies to accomplish their goals than you... and they still may very well decide that being in a union isn't what they really were after at all.

and even if they do, they very might not end up with what they thought they were going to get or what they have rec'd under the non-contract era.

btw, by my rough napkin math, DL employees could be received right around 16% of their 2014 salary in profit sharing... not bad when the company is paying $1B in hedge losses.

so much for the theory that DL is not taking care of its employees even though it "can afford" to lose money via hedge losses.

 

[700UW]

How  many times do you have to be told, this isnt about profit sharing?
 
Its about having  CBA, where there are rules that DL must follow.
 
Its about QOL issues, not all about the money.
 
But it seems you cant comprehend those facts.
 
12,000 FAs have signed cards and they still keep coming in.

 

[WorldTraveler]

how many times do YOU have to be told it is about total compensation and the entire employment experience.


despite the nonsense that you and Kev trot out, there is absolutely no evidence that DL or any other US airline employees are willing to trade away double digit compensation advantages in order to improve QOL.

I can comprehend that DL FAs have voted against unionization 3 times despite delivering cards.

and you and Kev can't answer the question that if DL was paying a premium for keeping the union out for years, what incentive do they have to continue to do so if the union actually wins?

 

[Kev3188]

 

how many times do YOU have to be told it is about total compensation and the entire employment experience.

None. I've been posting that for years. Thanks for finally acknowledging that it's more than just an economic (or even just base rate) discussion.

despite the nonsense that you and Kev trot out, there is absolutely no evidence that DL or any other US airline employees are willing to trade away double digit compensation advantages in order to improve QOL.

Nor is there any evidence that DL employees will have to.

 

[WeAAsles]

In Fleet Service do any of the 35% of the workforce languishing at the bottom in the "Ready Reserve" cesspool received any PS?

Methinks me already know the answer there.

Oh and is that RR PERCENTAGE still GROWING?

 

[WorldTraveler]

if DL adopts the same philosophy that DL and WN mgmt has with its unionized pilots and the unionized workforce of WN, then yes there very much is a risk that current non-contract DL employees who unionize could be brought down to industry average instead of what DL offers today until the IAM can prove that it will continue to generate industry-leading costs for the workgroup they represent.

while you and 700 want to tout DL's inferior QOL, it is precisely the QOL that DL FAs have that allows them to generate more than what their unionized peers at AA and UA generate per employee.

if that QOL is thrown out the window with work rules that are comparable to AA and UA, then pay will have to fall to industry average, not peer leading levels.

and the same thing can be said about the RR program in ACS. it is precisely the RR employees that allow DL to maintain its presence in more locations than AA or UA and allow DL to pay those employees above industry average including the profit sharing that the AA crowd wants to exclude.

if DL ACS employees want to eliminate the RR program and fund it thru reduced compensation and location choices for DL FT employees, DL will be happy to accommodate them.

what will not happen is that DL will simply layer on more work rules that will increase costs wihle not cutting compensation

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh so you confess that the currently 35% (and growing) slave labor pool is what is propping up the numbers for those who are not a part of the chain gang. 35% slave labor, 30% part time leaves only 35% of the workforce employed directly by Delta who reap those benefits you tout.

Delta may want to read about the French Revolution? Remember the call to arms "There's no bread, let them eat cake"

 

[Kev3188]

 

In Fleet Service do any of the 35% of the workforce languishing at the bottom in the "Ready Reserve" cesspool received any PS?

Yes, and it will be afraction of what other employees get for putting out the same effort.

Oh and is that RR PERCENTAGE still GROWING?

Absolutely.
 
 

if DL ACS employees want to eliminate the RR program and fund it thru reduced compensation and location choices for DL FT employees, DL will be happy to accommodate them.

I've yet to hear anyone talk of "eliminating" the RR program.

what will not happen is that DL will simply layer on more work rules that will increase costs wihle not cutting compensation

No need to "layer on" anything.

 

[topDawg]

 

 

Again please prove to us that DL FA's are paid more than AA fa's with facts !!! total amount!!

 

 

waiting..............
 

if DL adopts the same philosophy that DL and WN mgmt has with its unionized pilots and the unionized workforce of WN, then yes there very much is a risk that current non-contract DL employees who unionize could be brought down to industry average instead of what DL offers today until the IAM can prove that it will continue to generate industry-leading costs for the workgroup they represent.

So the idea is you cut them then see if they will work with you? Good luck with that idea. 
 

while you and 700 want to tout DL's inferior QOL, it is precisely the QOL that DL FAs have that allows them to generate more than what their unionized peers at AA and UA generate per employee.

Can you give us a work rules comparison for each FA group? 
 

if that QOL is thrown out the window with work rules that are comparable to AA and UA, then pay will have to fall to industry average, not peer leading levels.

What work rules are the FAs wanting to change? 
 
the only thing I have heard is the A day system from the senior mommas. Delta and the junior FAs aren't going to go for it so its a pipe dream at this point. IIRC that is by far the biggest cost savings Delta gets from the FA group (it lowers staffing requirements to not have the traditional reserve system) 
 

and the same thing can be said about the RR program in ACS. it is precisely the RR employees that allow DL to maintain its presence in more locations than AA or UA and allow DL to pay those employees above industry average including the profit sharing that the AA crowd wants to exclude.

Never heard anyone say they want RR to go away. All I have heard is put hard staffing numbers in place to prevent Delta from going to RR heavy. (and give people a real chance of making full time without having to move to LAX or JFK.) 
 

if DL ACS employees want to eliminate the RR program and fund it thru reduced compensation and location choices for DL FT employees, DL will be happy to accommodate them.

Has anyone at the IAM drive said that? 
 
Kev is that even really being talked about? 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Oh so you confess that the currently 35% (and growing) slave labor pool is what is propping up the numbers for those who are not a part of the chain gang. 35% slave labor, 30% part time leaves only 35% of the workforce employed directly by Delta who reap those benefits you tout.

Delta may want to read about the French Revolution? Remember the call to arms "There's no bread, let them eat cake"

spare us.

how you can make so much sense one minute and resort to histrionics the next is beyond comprehension.

DL doesn't have slaves. They have employees who willingly do the work they are PAID to do.

you make a horrible disgrace of those who really were slaves. you should be ashamed for insulting them.

they willingly work for what DL pays them.

if DL wants to eliminate them and be forced instead to eliminate stations which is exactly what THE WORTHLESS UNION and the IAM did, then why do you think DL would not do the very same thing?

DL won't do anything any differently than what AA and UA have done which is to eliminate cities and outsource instead of being able to use inhouse RR personnel

 

[topDawg]

spare us.

how you can make so much sense one minute and resort to histrionics the next is beyond comprehension.

DL doesn't have slaves. They have employees who willingly do the work they are PAID to do.

you make a horrible disgrace of those who really were slaves. you should be ashamed for insulting them.

they willingly work for what DL pays them.

if DL wants to eliminate them and be forced instead to eliminate stations which is exactly what THE WORTHLESS UNION and the IAM did, then why do you think DL would not do the very same thing?

DL won't do anything any differently than what AA and UA have done which is to eliminate cities and outsource instead of being able to use inhouse RR personnel

Shall we compare scope at US to scope at Delta again. (US is IAM btw)