Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[southwind]

What sad is people thinking they need to pay a 3rd party, who's #1 goal is to get those dues rolling in, stay in power, with the people it represents interests, a distant 2nd!

 

[southwind]

"If you don't like your job quit" and your threats are anti-worker statements.

How is not being happy with your job and quitting to find a better one, anti-worker?

Besides, after the articles I posted concerning the IAM performing struck work, you still can't admit they did exactly that......why should anyone listen to you?

 

[700UW]

The union will be made up of DL FAs, elected by their peers, how is that a third party?

Looks like being unionized has paid off in droves for the pilots?

And why does DL pay third parties to manage their émployees all the time?

Sedgwick, Ford and Harrison and many others?

How is workers joining together and wanting protections in the workplace a bad thing?

You do realize the airline industry is one of the most unionized out of all industries?

 

[southwind]

And still no reply concerning the IAM performing struck work. In that light, they are no better than the company they infiltrated!

 

[700UW]

Learn to read.

 

[WorldTraveler]

1. The union will be made up of DL FAs, elected by their peers, how is that a third party?

2. Looks like being unionized has paid off in droves for the pilots?

3. And why does DL pay third parties to manage their émployees all the time?

let's just deal with these 3.

1. if the leadership not only at DL but thruout the entire union organization were DL employees AND the money ALL stayed at DL, then a lot of us would be much more accepting of the idea of unions at DL.

2. feel free to compare the compensation of DL pilot employees to their peers vs. that of DL non-contract employees. I'm not so sure that DL pilots would be so quick to say they have batted anything out of the ballpark.

3. contracting with outsiders for company services as much as you would like to equate it to a union is nowhere near the same thing. Companies including AT&T, IBM, Georgia Power, and the City of Atlanta Water Dept. don't negotiate on behalf of anyone at DL. They do a job that they are contracted to do within market prices that they can charge and DL is willing to pay.

 

[Kev3188]

That's a flawed analogy.

 

[Kev3188]

And again, for the 127th time....are these people being forced to stay in said tube or are they able to seek employment elsewhere.

If the job were so bad, you'd thing the company would have problems filling those position's. I'm sure there are plenty of people waiting on those jobs to open up!

Why is it people accept a position, knowing the terms of employment, then want to bring a 3rd party into the mix to hold the company hostage?

 
 

What sad is people thinking they need to pay a 3rd party, who's #1 goal is to get those dues rolling in, stay in power, with the people it represents interests, a distant 2nd!

 
 

And still no reply concerning the IAM performing struck work. In that light, they are no better than the company they infiltrated!

They give you a checklist so you can make sure to use all the codewords?

 

[WorldTraveler]

That's a flawed analogy.

equating DL's outsourcing of business services to the necessity to the justification for a union is what is flawed.

DL is not and cannot be an expert in every aspect of running a business. People and companies "outsource" their tax preparation all of the time. I know of no one, including accountants, who do their own taxes completely by themselves. They use software at the minimum and most often a company itself.

to say that DL's FAs or ground workers should be entitled to a union because DL believes that other companies have the expertise to manage HR related needs is flawed to the core.

 

[700UW]

Outsourcing dealing with employees.
 
ESIS, Sedgwick, Ford and Harrison and many other third parties that Delta MAKES the employee deal with.
So Delta is a hypocrite when they force their own employees to deal with a third party, while calling the IAM a third party when the leadership for DL FAs if and when they become IAM members will be DL employees elected to their positions by their peers.

 

[WorldTraveler]

do you realize that the DOT also collects outsourcing information for more than just maintenance and on a combined basis, AA/US outsource more of their own non-maintenance spending than DL does?

of course you don't realize it because it is government data so you won't believe it and secondly anything that would possibly show that DL does anything better than its peers has got to be wrong.

once again, AA/US outsources MORE non-maintenance spending than any other of the big 4.

the only hypocrisy is that you go on a warpath with a an argument that blows up in your face.

but hey this is airline forums where facts are optional and if they contradict opinions or take away anyone's right to feel good, they are most definitely not welcome.

 

[700UW]

At US you arent forced to deal with a third party for FMLA, Labor Relations nor Human Resources.

 

[700UW]

Sad that mindset still exists.

BTW, today is the anniversary of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

http://labor411.org/411-blog/733-remembering-the-triangle-shirtwaist-factory-fire

 

[WorldTraveler]

I love you. How could I not? It has to be solely for your naïve simplicity

You argue that US doesn't outsource airframe overhauls but then refuse to acknowledge that they outsource more total maintenance dollars than any of the legacy carriers.

you argue that DL outsources HR functions and then when confronted with the fact that AA/US outsources more non-maintenance spending even on a percentage basis and not just absolute dollars than any other of the big 4, you want to harp on an HR call center.

You truly are Teflon coated.

 

[700UW]

Kevin,

This is for you.
 
http://theadvocateonline.com/archives/178