Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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you just can't bring yourself to include profit sharing, can you?
and you wonder why the IAM isn't trusted - and your repeated inclusion of everything except what would put DL WELL above average is exactly why.
You are the best advertisement that DL mgmt. could want for why DL FAs cannot be expected to believe the IAM to tell the truth.
let me help you out.
DL's 1st six month pay is actually $26.33 with profit sharing.
DL's TOS pay with 16.5% profit sharing is actually $59.95 - well above every legacy carrier and within a few percent of what WN or AS pays including their profit sharing.
the truth hurts.
Not telling the truth and having someone else have to tell it for you hurts your credibility way more than you imagine.
and I notice you quickly dropped the whole HR outsourcing issue now that I have shown you that AA outsources more non-maintenance spending even on a percentage basis than any other big 4 airline.
and you wonder why the IAM isn't trusted - and your repeated inclusion of everything except what would put DL WELL above average is exactly why.
You are the best advertisement that DL mgmt. could want for why DL FAs cannot be expected to believe the IAM to tell the truth.
let me help you out.
DL's 1st six month pay is actually $26.33 with profit sharing.
DL's TOS pay with 16.5% profit sharing is actually $59.95 - well above every legacy carrier and within a few percent of what WN or AS pays including their profit sharing.
the truth hurts.
Not telling the truth and having someone else have to tell it for you hurts your credibility way more than you imagine.
and I notice you quickly dropped the whole HR outsourcing issue now that I have shown you that AA outsources more non-maintenance spending even on a percentage basis than any other big 4 airline.
Profit sharing is not an hourly wage nor guaranteed, now is it?
A bank, credit card company or a mortgage company will not let you get a loan based on your profit sharing, thats a fact!
And that information isnt from the IAM, so try again, World Fraudster.
The IAM represents almost 100,000 Active Airline employees, more than any other union.
Try again!
A bank, credit card company or a mortgage company will not let you get a loan based on your profit sharing, thats a fact!
And that information isnt from the IAM, so try again, World Fraudster.
The IAM represents almost 100,000 Active Airline employees, more than any other union.
Try again!
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The epitome of a shadow man.700UW said:
Same story with Peter List.
Both are paid handsomely to get people to vote against their own best interests.
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I don't care who the info is from. It is still inaccurate. Funny how you distance yourself from the IAM when your personal credibility is at stake but you stand shoulder to shoulder with them if you stand to gain a thing.
Teflon coated indeed.
at AA profit sharing isn't even reality and won't be for years - while the airline industry is expected to be the most profitable it has ever been.
even based on the expected profitability for the industry this year, it is highly likely that profit sharing for not only DL employees but every other airline workgroup that currently has it will increase.
feel free to tell DL FAs that they can expect to see their total pay reduced if DL ends the profit sharing program for all employees and then sets pay rates for each group based on non-profit sharing pay rates which you have just posted.
If you don't think DL could or would do that, you are not only naive but you are blatantly ignorant of what companies can do.
and the IAM represents FAs at NO large jet US carriers.
Teflon coated indeed.
at AA profit sharing isn't even reality and won't be for years - while the airline industry is expected to be the most profitable it has ever been.
even based on the expected profitability for the industry this year, it is highly likely that profit sharing for not only DL employees but every other airline workgroup that currently has it will increase.
feel free to tell DL FAs that they can expect to see their total pay reduced if DL ends the profit sharing program for all employees and then sets pay rates for each group based on non-profit sharing pay rates which you have just posted.
If you don't think DL could or would do that, you are not only naive but you are blatantly ignorant of what companies can do.
and the IAM represents FAs at NO large jet US carriers.
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And if are borrowing based on 100% of your salary, you will likely not pass any loan requirements anyway.
and you absolutely CAN use the higher total compensation you have received to actually pay for what you want to buy.
let's face it... you aren't going to admit that DL employees are higher paid than their peers at other airlines.
Kevin recognized it years ago. He just said that DL did it to keep the unions out.
oh and Kev would rather have a DC pension instead of a DB pension.
Since he's an actual DL employee, I think I will consider his opinion more highly than yours.
and you absolutely CAN use the higher total compensation you have received to actually pay for what you want to buy.
let's face it... you aren't going to admit that DL employees are higher paid than their peers at other airlines.
Kevin recognized it years ago. He just said that DL did it to keep the unions out.
oh and Kev would rather have a DC pension instead of a DB pension.
Since he's an actual DL employee, I think I will consider his opinion more highly than yours.
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This is true.700UW said:
Lenders will also tell you that they often prefer someone on a set scale under a CBA since the steps are known factors...
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most US lenders require the 3 most recent months of paychecks for loan approval; they don't care about what is on your CBA - they care what is on your paycheck.
and I may be wrong, but I don't believe lenders allow you to borrow against your future earnings so the whole scale and CBA argument doesn't work.
if you believe otherwise, plz post information from a nationally recognized lender that states that they will loan above what you currently make based on a CBA>
they want to see what you make now.
and again, your paid profit sharing is just as valid for being used in a loan application as money in the bank.
and I may be wrong, but I don't believe lenders allow you to borrow against your future earnings so the whole scale and CBA argument doesn't work.
if you believe otherwise, plz post information from a nationally recognized lender that states that they will loan above what you currently make based on a CBA>
they want to see what you make now.
and again, your paid profit sharing is just as valid for being used in a loan application as money in the bank.
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It's not an "argument." It's a statement based both on personal experience and that of coworkers, as well as knowing some people in the business.
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Only you would find a celebration in a handful of people arguing against their own self-interests...
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