Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[topDawg]

There is really only one of them, pete.

They have multiple user names but there is really only one brain.

once again
Hey Pot, I'm kettle 
 
your black! 
 

Much easier to paint w/a broad brush...

That's how tribal identity works.

true. Odd for people who are so "not worried" about unions they sure do seem to post a lot of (mis)information about them........... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Much easier to paint w/a broad brush...

That's how tribal identity works.

now that there is hypocrisy at its finest since you and dawg and others have repeatedly said that any opinion that is counter to the anti-DL, pro-union mindset must all be from the pen and keyboard of WT.

If you paint with a broad brush, I paint with customized lasers.

true. Odd for people who are so "not worried" about unions they sure do seem to post a lot of (mis)information about them...........

we could say the same thing about people who say they are pro-company but spend an inordinate amount of time posting stuff that is quite the opposite.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

now that there is hypocrisy at its finest since you and dawg and others have repeatedly said that any opinion that is counter to the anti-DL, pro-union mindset must all be from the pen and keyboard of WT.

If you paint with a broad brush, I paint with customized lasers.


we could say the same thing about people who say they are pro-company but spend an inordinate amount of time posting stuff that is quite the opposite.

 
Well you should know as you're a hypocrite of the first order.
 
This is YOU from just a few hours ago....
 
 

 
feel free to come up with your own definition of "trolling" dawg but posting inaccurate or incomplete information is not and never will be a license that anyone will get by with.

 
Funny how when its a discussion over gates, routes, financials, or other corporate goings-on you decry anyone not telling what you think is the complete and honest truth, yet if the topic falls to organizing Delta in any way shape or form, you and your faux ethics are exposed for exactly what they are.
 
Your quote above was just the first sentence in an attempted rip on dawg, Where are you 200+ words of admonishment for pete, for ..."posting inaccurate or incomplete information"...???
 
You "paint with customized lasers" ???
 
You fail with finger paints - Nice try.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Then feel free to debate the actual issues about which you disagree.

This site is full of emotional responses to business and labor issues which are repeatedly proven to be opposite of reality.

just within the last few pages here, we have had people try to argue that AA and US shouldn't be considered as a single airline despite the fact that they have a single operating certificate - because if they are one airline, then DL's level of outsourcing looks pretty good compared to AA/US on a combined basis.

THAT is precisely the emotionally driven, factually opposed discussions which happen all the time on this site.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Then feel free to debate the actual issues about which you disagree.

 
That's exactly what I did.
 
I didn't attack anyone when I first posted in this particular thread tangent. I merely pointed the quote was taken out of context by Union Facts, and gave the actual background in which the quote was made.
 

 
This site is full of emotional responses to business issues which are repeatedly proven to be opposite of reality.

 
Indeed, some of your "emotional responses" certainly prove that point.

 

[WorldTraveler]

highly enlightening from the AA site

Well word on the street here with those in the "know" is the union keeps saying they are ready to negotiate but the company will not come to the table, turns out the the company is ready and has put the twu in a corner. Company wants to give Delta plus 7 in exchange for out sourcing move crews at all class 1 stations to fleet service(all ready done at class 2) two Tech Crew Chiefs here were asked last week to help start training fleet service on moving aircraft ,they refused!! at some still have their balls, AND....1000 to 1500 job loss at Tulsa... You Tulsa boys didn't really think Parker was gonna give YOU guys Delta plus 7 did you?? TWU is under pressure to bring a good contract to the members and the company wont budge on thier offer..SO, option one, take Delta plus 7, loose LOOOOOTS of jobs, scope obliterated and other things. Option 2, keep this bankruptcy contract and low wages and have the TWU keep lying saying the company wont come to the table, either way, the union is screwd, rock and a hard place. Even with a pay raise the dues will not be enough to make up for the massive job lose that would occur upon ratification. This current contract will be the one you retire and die with, but that's okay because everyone seems to be very happy with the TWU since they are still on the property. Good luck my Taesl friends, the system is eagerly waiting your arrival..BWAHAHAHAHA.

 

[700UW]

Pure rumor and speculation with no source.

 

[WorldTraveler]

perhaps but even those kinds of rumors are very debilitating to the work force.

And DL's pay raise announcement has been known for quite some time. If AA, UA, or WN wanted to match it, they would have had more than enough time to do so by this point.

and DL plus 7 really is DL pay plus profit sharing minus about 8-9% because even after the 2016 profit sharing adjustment, DL non-pilot employees will bring home down digit profit sharing on top of their salaries that should easily make them the highest paid in the industry.

but you're right... we should wait to see what the unions bring to the table for AA/US, UA, and WN.

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

and you have never been able to understand that DL and its employees both win because they have commonly aligned goals.

DL and its FAs both realizes a common value and are reaching in the same direction on improving comfort for everyone.

DL carries hundreds of pounds of lie flat crew rest accommodations for FAs on all of its widebody int'l aircraft IN PART because they can sell more seats in a more comfortable configuration than AA and UA can - and yet DL FAs are the only US carrier FAs that have 100% lie flat crew rest facilities on widebody aircraft.

apparently AA and UA AREN'T INTERESTED in selling extra seats and also don't mind if their FAs have to sit in passenger seats. The strength of the DL employee-employer experience is that both manage to align their goals in the same direction and both sides plus the customers win.

 

[700UW]

And what does lie flat crew have to do with passenger seats?
 
Another WT red herring.

 

[WorldTraveler]

it's only a red herring because you want to take a single statement about a single issue and try to build a case against DL when the common thread in profit sharing, crew rest cabins, and coach seat reductions is that DL is doing something that helps the company AND its employees which ultimately helps the customers.

We didn't know about the change in seat pitch when the announcement originally came out.

If DL achieves a win for FAs and customers while having little negative impact for the company, then it is a win for all parties.

The decision to put 180 seats in the 739ER was made in a high fuel cost environment. Even if fuel goes up at some point, DL has demonstrated that its revenue generating ability will remain intact regardless of the fuel environment but also that the low fuel cost environment right now will reduce a certain percentage of the costs of the new aircraft for the life of the asset.

this is a win-win-win for DL employees, customers, and the company.

The reason why you don't want to see the connection between this and other issues is because they show the same strength that has benefitted both sides for years.

 

[Kev3188]

So this was about uniform seat pitch all along? Hunh. Interesting.

I wonder if we'll see that advertised as heavily internally as we did the whole "we're listening" thing?

 

[WorldTraveler]

for the record, Kevin, if DL made part of its decision based on improving the passenger experience and tried to sell the change solely on making FAs happy, then they were wrong to not tell the employees the whole story.

bet you didn't expect I would say that despite the fact that is the truth.

It still doesn't change that DL, its customers, and employees are benefitting - just as with crew rest seats, profit sharing, and other issues.

 

[700UW]

http://northwestprimetime.com/news/2013/apr/04/mary-pat-laffey-fighter/