Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Kev,
 
Petey aka Pinocchio, is blinded by his hatred and lies.  He will never understand the company is the only one who would benefit from fraudulent cards.
 
And him posting a F&H Boeing anti-union propaganda is not credible proof of anything.

 
Don't know all the details about Boeing, F&H, IAM, but then aren't all the pro-union publications propaganda too?  Afterall, propaganda is information used to promote a point of view?

 

[diamondcutter]

I actually read this article in "the stand", but I have to say, the case for unionization (be it IAM or any other) presented here, at least as written by the co-authors, is very weak.
 
Right off the bat, there is a statement that doesn't pass the smell test.  "Workplace and personal safety are major issues faced by this workforce in their challenge to unionize."
It may sound naive, but I can't figure out what safety issues DL FAs are facing? Afterall  AA, WN, BA and DL (the carriers that I routinely fly) have, in general the same workplace and in general perform the same tasks.  Are DL aircraft more dangerous?  As far as personal safety, I don't know what to think?  I mean is DL an airline of choice for thugs or unruly passengers?  DTW is not really in the 'hood?  Maybe ATL is a dangerous place?  Are DL pilots flyign the planes recklessly?  The personal safety comment almost makes me want to laugh.
 
But the best part is this:  on one hand the authors state that "... Delta flight attendants have lost over 60 years of the progress enjoyed by their sisters and brothers at other unionized U.S. air carriers such as American, United and Alaska." 
But on the other hand:  ".....federal government statistics ..... have consistently shown that aircraft cabins are dangerous workplaces, with flight attendant injury rates many times higher than those experienced by employees in private industry as a whole."
That suggests that over the last 60 years FA unions have done absolutely nothing to improve workplace safety.  Why would it then be good to join a useless organization?
 
Why can't the IAM (or whatever union is hoping to grab the DL FAs as their customers) just try to sell that with a union you could get a better compenstaion package?  That, IMHO, could be a motivation to join a union.

They are speaking of amount of on duty hours in one day , Reduced rest on layovers , how on the job injurys are handled ( harassment and forced back to work when not healed). If this were all contractual it could be enforced.

 

[700UW]

The IAM was the most to benefit from millions of $$$ in union dues. Besides, it not like they haven't done it in the past.

lol

Wrong again.
 
Do you ever take the time to research anything before you post?
 
The filing of cards does not certify a union as the collective bargaining agent, it calls for an election, in which DL FAs would vote on representation.
 
So Pinocchio, explain how filing of a fraudulent card would help the IAM become the bargaining agent, if those FAs had no intention of voting yes for a union?

 

[townpete]

Wrong again.
 
Do you ever take the time to research anything before you post?
 
The filing of cards does not certify a union as the collective bargaining agent, it calls for an election, in which DL FAs would vote on representation.
 
So Pinocchio, explain how filing of a fraudulent card would help the IAM become the bargaining agent, if those FAs had no intention of voting yes for a union?

The card drive and the election, are uniquely tied together for the sole purpose of unionization.

That's the end ultimate end game.

To somehow fabricate that one doesn't have anything to do with the other, is poor attempt at deflection.

People are smarter then that, and know what exactly what's going on.

 

[townpete]

Yeah, I know.
"Words on the street" and anti-worker messaging don't mean much.
Everyone on both sides of this discussion should be using for real resolution/reform here...

You know Kev, if you really wanted a union, your first step would be to rid yourself of hired (non delta) shill's like triple zero.

For people who are on the fence and ask me, I simply forward them to this thread to witness all the hateful and disparaging comments triple zero and others say about DAL employees as a whole.

And you wonder why IAM is losing the PR war.

 

[700UW]

You are truly ignorant and once again you avoid answering the real questions and facts.

 

[townpete]

You are truly ignorant and once again you avoid answering the real questions and facts.

Keep it coming, you alone are the best and cheapest form of PR why engaging with IAM is a bad idea.

 

[Kev3188]

You are truly ignorant and once again you avoid answering the real questions and facts.

Why bother when she can just post pre-packaged talking points-code words and all- and still get people to bite?

 

[Kev3188]

You know Kev, if you really wanted a union, your first step would be to rid yourself of hired (non delta) shill's like triple zero.

For people who are on the fence and ask me, I simply forward them to this thread to witness all the hateful and disparaging comments triple zero and others say about DAL employees as a whole.

And you wonder why IAM is losing the PR war.

So are you actually interested in discussing the election/investigation, or are you just looking for a cudgel to hit another user with?

 

[townpete]

Why bother when she can just post pre-packaged talking points-code words and all- and still get people to bite?

He Kev, you know which post of triple zero gets shared the most with fence sitters?

Him saying how glad he was to never fly delta because southy worked on them.

#internetneverforgets

 

[townpete]

So are you actually interested in discussing the election/investigation, or are you just looking for a cudgel to hit another user with?

It is what it is.

Triple zero started this thread for the sole purpose of disparaging the very people needed to garner support.

Take it up with him.

 

[Kev3188]

I'm asking you.

 

[townpete]

I'm asking you.

I'm not interest in engaging with people who's sole purpose is to spit on they very people wanted to vote in a union.

But I damn well expose them when they continue.

 

[Kev3188]

So you are here solely to bash others. I thought so, but just wanted to make sure.

Spoiler alert: You're not "exposing" anything; you're just acting like a child. Knock it off. It's a waste of bandwidth.

 

[townpete]

So you are here solely to bash others. I thought so, but just wanted to make sure.
Spoiler alert: You're not "exposing" anything; you're just acting like a child. Knock it off. It's a waste of bandwidth.

And so you will continue to reminisce about how great thing were with a union.

Not realizing the biggest reason that's holding that back is vile people like triple zero.