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HERE COMES THE LAYOFFS

dfw gen, on 28 January 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:
you deserve no reply.

But yet you did 😀

yea i fell for it. out of 78 posts in this thread informer had 18 replies all of them whining that people will not listen to him attempt to enlighten the "membership". he really needs to hook up with Matt Lorenzi over in 567 thats another enlightened genius. old Matt's pretty good about berating people that dare to disagree with his point of view. "your out of order brother"
 
The reality is this the company failed to execute a viable business model after 911,the union and the company, greedy as they are failed everyone. Layoffs will surely come, it's just a matter of when and where? .Will the remaining workers trust AMR? never again....
 
AMR employees to learn what bankruptcy means for them

American Airlines’ parent will probably push to close a major maintenance base, terminate pensions and eliminate thousands of jobs.

If you have a subscription to the Dallas Morning News (I don't) you can read the rest of this. Posted 1-28-2012 9:39 pm

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airline-industry/20120128-amr-employees-to-learn-what-bankruptcy-means-for-them.ece
 
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/01/26/3691475/federal-agency-sounds-alarm-on.html?storylink=addthis
Old news
 
dfw gen said:
no body likes the position we are in.but the writing was on the wall has been since 9/11
did you think when Northwest screwed their people it wouldn't come around?
did you think when united screwed their people it wouldn't come around?
dd you think when Delta screwed their people it wouldn't come around?
did you think when delta and northwest merged it wouldn't come around?
did you think when continental and united merged it wouldn't come around?
in 2003 did you think ignorance was bliss?
the ta is gone boys you can cry all you want. everything else is speculation.
come Wednesday when the company comes out with their "ask" and all is said and done
we all have one decision do we want to work for what they offer? its real simple cut and dry.
everyone stuck around for their own reasons most because it was a decent job and fun to do.
is its that bad push the retirement button and walk away. but to berate and give the company additional
cost cutting ideas just betrays you desperation.
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DFW gen, Correct me if I am wrong or out of line here. If I recall, back in 03 when AA was going after their employees, I vegly recall reading postings that said something like, Don't fall for AA's retroic, they are getting conssesions now and will go after the pensions "AND" yet more cutrs later, including more lay-offs. I remember people saying, let them go into BK now (back in 03) otherwise they will "double dip" and threaten or go into BK and rip more pay, pensions and jobs from the mechanics group all over again. It may not have been this site, but I do recall reading it on one of these forums, and it may have been Dennises old forum, not sure. Anyone else remember these postings?? As I have stated before, I still say this was all planned back in 2003, yes even this BK now. Waiting it out (of course after they got the 03 conssesions) until all the other carriers got all their conssesions in place, studying them, and using their conssesions to now have a goal as far as numbers to reach with their newly plans to be the most cost efficient airline out there. AA , in mu opinion, will not remain a stand alone carrier. They have been studying the mergers of the airline industry as well. When this is all said and done, AA will be the largest airline out there, with the lowest labor cost out there. And once again making boo-koo bucks in profits again, and never restoring the pay to the employees, except of course for all the management folks. I wish you all the best of luck. Maybe this time your union will finally say enough is enough...
 
The problem is now Southwest and LCC's will have to make a trip through BK when this is all said and Done..to get labor costs in Order,the cycle continues....
 
DFW gen,
Forgot to add this question as well. Let's not forget, the W/A goes away in 2014. Once this is gone the pressure on AA @ DFW will increase 10 fold. Could this be a big factor, as you guys see it or hear, for the up comming changes that are going to be made? Including both DFW and AFW. In 2 yrs when AA should be pulling out of BK, they will be staring the W/A issue square in the face.
 
swamt said:
DFW gen, Correct me if I am wrong or out of line here. If I recall, back in 03 when AA was going after their employees, I vegly recall reading postings that said something like, Don't fall for AA's retroic, they are getting conssesions now and will go after the pensions "AND" yet more cutrs later, including more lay-offs. I remember people saying, let them go into BK now (back in 03) otherwise they will "double dip" and threaten or go into BK and rip more pay, pensions and jobs from the mechanics group all over again. It may not have been this site, but I do recall reading it on one of these forums, and it may have been Dennises old forum, not sure. Anyone else remember these postings?? As I have stated before, I still say this was all planned back in 2003, yes even this BK now. Waiting it out (of course after they got the 03 conssesions) until all the other carriers got all their conssesions in place, studying them, and using their conssesions to now have a goal as far as numbers to reach with their newly plans to be the most cost efficient airline out there. AA , in mu opinion, will not remain a stand alone carrier. They have been studying the mergers of the airline industry as well. When this is all said and done, AA will be the largest airline out there, with the lowest labor cost out there. And once again making boo-koo bucks in profits again, and never restoring the pay to the employees, except of course for all the management folks. I wish you all the best of luck. Maybe this time your union will finally say enough is enough...
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The TWU cannot even grasp that idea muchless act upon it and the members who can are ridiculed for daring to say it at work or on this board. and you are correct many of us said let them go BK in 2003 but Jimmy Little and the pilots wanted to save AA and the pilots lumpsum pension payout so here we are about to once again set the industry back on its ass while most carriers are making record profits way to go TWU.

TIME TO DUMP THE TWU
 
aapitbull said:
The TWU cannot even grasp that idea muchless act upon it and the members who can are ridiculed for daring to say it at work or on this board. and you are correct many of us said let them go BK in 2003 but Jimmy Little and the pilots wanted to save AA and the pilots lumpsum pension payout so here we are about to once again set the industry back on its ass while most carriers are making record profits way to go TWU.

TIME TO DUMP THE TWU
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And, now the unions and the pilots who retired lately asking for lump sum payments are now all unsecured creditors of the bankrupt company. Can you imagine the surprise on my face?
 
swamt said:
DFW gen,
Forgot to add this question as well. Let's not forget, the W/A goes away in 2014. Once this is gone the pressure on AA @ DFW will increase 10 fold. Could this be a big factor, as you guys see it or hear, for the up comming changes that are going to be made? Including both DFW and AFW. In 2 yrs when AA should be pulling out of BK, they will be staring the W/A issue square in the face.
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what is W/A ?
 
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