How much do you love LOA 93?

[sharktooth]

I don't have to prove anything. Nicolau saw it and stated so in his award (which was agreed to by YOUR neutral)

Keeping dreamin' there puddin'

All I lost was about 5% in my relative seniority. Guess I'm still senior to you though.

Anyway, you keep hanging on to your fantasy. It doesn't matter anymore. The list will be presented to Parker, your lawsuit thrown out, and your callsign changed to "cactus."

Accept it.

Ok, I am certain you do not mind your post being submitted for a lawsuit, do you?

 

[Junebug172]

Ok, I am certain you do not mind your post being submitted for a lawsuit, do you?

Whatever pinhead.


Here's one more for you:

"Yet, it cannot be disputed that there were differences in the financial condition of both carriers and that US Airways was the weaker. This necessarily means that career expectations differed and that US Airways pilots had more to gain from the merger than their new colleagues.â€￾
From the Nicolau Seniority Integration Award

 

[traderjake]

So, how is DOH with conditions and restrictions "stealing another man's job"

It's stealing to make a Reserve East F/O senior to a West Blockholding Captain.

It's stealing to make a furloughed East pilot senior to a working West pilot.

It's stealing to take the bottom East pilot, who is first in line to be furloughed, and put hundreds of West pilots below him.

Throwing a tantrum? No, the east pilots are simply using legal options to force ALPA Natl to acknowledge or toss a ruling that conflicts with ALPA Natl merger policy.

So intentionally burning fuel and making flights late are simply legal options.

Well, if you are talking about ALPA Natl, I agree. If not, shove it where you dump. Guarantee it will enhance your life.

I was talking about you.

 

[Phoenix]

Compelling my ass. Its hard money that you east jokers are throwing out the window.

gain that the average East pilot would have received under management’s first proposal:
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Jokers?

You advocate taking a "first proposal" and call others jokers? You and 320 will get along just fine.

 

[Phoenix]

It's stealing to make a furloughed East pilot senior to a working West pilot.

It's stealing to take the bottom East pilot, who is first in line to be furloughed, and put hundreds of West pilots below him.

Hell yeah it would be stealing. And it would be lying to say that is what the East advocated. But you evidently have an ax to grind so I won't bother reminding you of the conditions and restrictions(that anyone can read) that the East advocated.

 

[ableoneable]

Hell yeah it would be stealing. And it would be lying to say that is what the East advocated. But you evidently have an ax to grind so I won't bother reminding you of the conditions and restrictions(that anyone can read) that the East advocated.

No it is not a lie. The conditions and restrictions were a joke.

To papaphrase; the furlough clause stated that if a furlough were to occur within 12 months of a recall the original furloghee would be re-furloughed. If however the gap between recall and furlough were to exceed 12 months the DOH/LOS list would be controlling.

Since most ecenomic cycles are a little longer than one year the net effect of a furlough would be the replacement of employed west pilots by previously unemployed east pilots. This would clearly have been a windfall for the furloughed USAir pilots at the expense of working America West pilots.

I guess because it's the other guy this is a fair solution and is in no way a windfall for the east.

Let's say the east's list was implemented and during the next down cycle the airline shrank back down to the size of combined HP/AAA operations after the merger. This would result in the wholsale replacement of previously employed west pilots by previously unemployed east pilots.

There is a reason the east MEC is desperately trying to get the ALPA merger policy re-written. They realize that the best they can hope for is that the award is voided and re-arbitrated. They know that if that happens the end result will likely be a repeat of the current award. It may even be worse from the east's perspective

 

[Tiger 1050]

Prove the first part. HP was on the ropes, not US.

HP was on the ropes, not US!!!!!! Huh! I am outright amazed at your statement. I really hope this does not demonstrate the average level of intelligence out east. No wonder you guys really believe you should have it your way. You seem to be rather unenlightened my friend...

Good day little children...

 

[EastUS]

The law is on the west's side. Prater has stated correctly there is no basis for overturning the award because no reasons have been presented. The award has been out for over three months. In America, the rule of law trumps emotion and politics.

"In America, the rule of law trumps emotion and politics." I admire your innocent idealism but....that's absolutely the funniest thing I've heard in weeks

Just for some obvious headliner starters from even the tabloid arenas:

Rodney King received 2.3 million for being a stooopid criminal who got his arse kicked ...no politics there.

Clinton "Did not have sex with that woman Lewinsky" and shouldn't have been impeached...see above.

OJay's innocent

Heck...even Robert Blake's "innocent"

Ummm...an idiot "Judge" opted to sue some poor Korean cleaners for an attempted 47 MILLION...over a pair of pants. Granted; his action failed..but this clown was/is a JUDGE..just think about that a bit.

The list of moral and/or logical obscenities routinely spewing forth from courtrooms all over this nation is almost literally endless.

Care to bet your fortunes or life on anything that the glorious "rule of law", as it's sadly actually practiced, may/will do next? I'll Pass...I've zero trouble with a reasonable wager..but on the output of the courts?? = Pass.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The law is on the west's side. Prater has stated correctly there is no basis for overturning the award because no reasons have been presented. The award has been out for over three months. In America, the rule of law trumps emotion and politics.

A few things immediately come to mind:

1. Prater is not a judge, so his statements don't necessarily mean that the "law is on the west's side."

2. If Prater is correct in his assertion, and the "award has been out for over three months," why hasn't he sent it to Parker? The east MEC lawsuit was against the west MEC, not ALPA national, so that can't be why. What is constraining Prater?

 

[EastUS]

A few things immediately come to mind:

1. Prater is not a judge, so his statements don't necessarily mean that the "law is on the west's side."

2. If Prater is correct in his assertion, and the "award has been out for over three months," why hasn't he sent it to Parker? The east MEC lawsuit was against the west MEC, not ALPA national, so that can't be why. What is constraining Prater?

"What is constraining Prater?"

I'll take Decert Ballots for a thousand...Oh Look...The Daily Double

 

[nycbusdriver]

"What is constraining Prater?"

I'll take Decert Ballots for a thousand...Oh Look...The Daily Double

Yeah, but somebody who knows a lot once said:

"In America, the rule of law trumps emotion and politics."

So the ballots can't be the reason. That would be politics, or emotion, or both.

 

[EastUS]

Yeah, but somebody who knows a lot once said:

"In America, the rule of law trumps emotion and politics."

So the ballots can't be the reason. That would be politics, or emotion, or both.

Roger that..go figure

 

[Bear96]

A few things immediately come to mind:

1. Prater is not a judge, so his statements don't necessarily mean that the "law is on the west's side."

He may not be a judge, but he is apparently getting sound legal advice.

 

[supercruiser]

"Yet, it cannot be disputed that there were differences in the financial condition of both carriers and that US Airways was the weaker. This necessarily means that career expectations differed and that US Airways pilots had more to gain from the merger than their new colleagues.â€￾From the Nicolau Seniority Integration Award

Actually it CAN be disputed and was during the arbitration. So Nicolau believed one side and not the other. Still doesn't make it a fact. Turns out the financial condition of the W has not been so hot. When asked why recently, Doug Parker says don't worry about it, it's all one company now. A real non answer. If the clock could be turned back, it would be interesting to see what position the W would be in by itself. Maybe Parker's words that the W needed this merger wasn't BS at all. I acknowledge that the E side could have had negative repercussions as well, but of course we'll never know. However, basing an arbitration award on perceived and arguable financial conditions of the 2 compnaies was a bad idea, as the results have shown.

 

[AWA320]

Actually it CAN be disputed and was during the arbitration. So Nicolau believed one side and not the other. Still doesn't make it a fact. Turns out the financial condition of the W has not been so hot. When asked why recently, Doug Parker says don't worry about it, it's all one company now. A real non answer. If the clock could be turned back, it would be interesting to see what position the W would be in by itself. Maybe Parker's words that the W needed this merger wasn't BS at all. I acknowledge that the E side could have had negative repercussions as well, but of course we'll never know. However, basing an arbitration award on perceived and arguable financial conditions of the 2 compnaies was a bad idea, as the results have shown.

Well it is what it is and even with what you said it still doesn't remove the fact that the east took an unwavering extreme position. I absolutly hate to think what would have been the case if DOH was used. Would there be all this outcry to the unfairness of an unemployed furloughed pilot placed ahaed of a line holding captian???