How much do you love LOA 93?

[Bear96]

What trump card does the West MEC think they hold that would FORCE the company to put operations together and put the Nic award into practical use? Another lawsuit?

Well, that is one possibility no doubt West is evaluating.

When two parties agree to binding arbitration and the losing side refuses to abide by the decision, the winning party can go to court to enforce the arbitration award, which in this case would mean having the Nic list implemented at the appropriate time.

 

[prechilill]

Well, that is one possibility no doubt West is evaluating.

When two parties agree to binding arbitration and the losing side refuses to abide by the decision, the winning party can go to court to enforce the arbitration award, which in this case would mean having the Nic list implemented at the appropriate time.

The law is on the west's side. Prater has stated correctly there is no basis for overturning the award because no reasons have been presented. The award has been out for over three months. In America, the rule of law trumps emotion and politics.

 

[A320 Driver]

The law is on the west's side. Prater has stated correctly there is no basis for overturning the award because no reasons have been presented. The award has been out for over three months. In America, the rule of law trumps emotion and politics.

You might be right, but I doubt if you end up enjoying it. The PHX and LAS crew bases will not shield you from the hate this will generate. Too bad things didn't turn out better for both sides.


A320 Driver B)

 

[prechilill]

The PHX and LAS crew bases will not shield you from the hate this will generate. A320 Driver B)

Why do you choose to go through life bitter and hateful (to borrow one of your own words)?

 

[A320 Driver]

Why do you choose to go through life bitter and hateful (to borrow one of your own words)?

I am neither bitter nor hateful. I don't hate anybody. I have eyes and I see whats happening around me. There is a bitterness and hatred that I have witnessed and you have yet to be subjected to. My point was, if this award is pressed, it will unleash something awful. This company may not be able to recover from it. ALPA surely will not.

A320 Driver B)

 

[ableoneable]

I am neither bitter nor hateful. I don't hate anybody. I have eyes and I see whats happening around me. There is a bitterness and hatred that I have witnessed and you have yet to be subjected to. My point was, if this award is pressed, it will unleash something awful. This company may not be able to recover from it. ALPA surely will not.

A320 Driver B)

Driver, you ask good questions. Unfortunately, no-one has the answers. I believe that fences and restricitions would be a part of a combined contract. The west is not willing to re-negotiate the Nic award on its face. They have allowed for compromises during JNC talks. A re-ordering of the list, however, is not possible.

If nothing else look at it from the political perspective of the west MEC. Were they to re-negotiate the order of the list they would be exposing their membership to potential furloughs and to a disadvantagous position should another merger occur. There is no way to sell this.

As far as the bitterness and hatred. I have jumped on east metal and had easties jump with me. At the worst the situation has been cordial. That said, I am not looking forward to combined operations. The ugliness potential is high and our ability to extract meaningful contractual improvements from management is severly comprimised.

 

[A320 Driver]

Driver, you ask good questions. Unfortunately, no-one has the answers. I believe that fences and restricitions would be a part of combined contract. The west is not willing to re-negotiate the Nic award on its face. They have allowed for compromises during JNC talks. A re-ordering of the list, however, is not possible.

If nothing else look at it from the political perspective of the west MEC. Were they to re-negotiate the order of the list they would be exposing their membership to potential furloughs and to a disadvantagous position should another merger occur. There is no way to sell this.

As far as the bitterness and hatred. I have jumped on east metal and had easties jump with me. At the worst the situation has been cordial. That said, I am not looking forward to combined operations. The ugliness potential is high and our ability to extract meaningful contractual improvements from management is severly comprimised.

You make excellent points. Most people have adopted a wait and see attitude but it is temporary. Somebody better come up with something to make this work. There will be NO winners if we stay on the present course.

A320 Driver

 

[ableoneable]

You make excellent points. Most people have adopted a wait and see attitude but it is temporary. Somebody better come up with something to make this work. There will be NO winners if we stay on the present course.

A320 Driver

I dug through all of my crap and updated my logbooks and resume about a month ago.

I am not wearing my life jacket but I know where it is.

 

[GoldenRam94]

Captain: $115,900
First Officer: $63,064
These total figures do not include the higher rates to achieve ratification or any outlying year increases, nor do they include any increased payments to the DC retirement plan

Is that all a First Officer makes these days?

 

[A320 Driver]

Is that all a First Officer makes these days?

There was a lot of math that went into those numbers and as I recall it was all about compelling East pilots to accept the Nic award.

I don't think it has anything to do with what F/Os make per year.

A320 Driver <_<

 

[Junebug172]

There was a lot of math that went into those numbers and as I recall it was all about compelling East pilots to accept the Nic award.

I don't think it has anything to do with what F/Os make per year.

A320 Driver <_<

Compelling my ass. Its hard money that you east jokers are throwing out the window.

Here's the whole thing:

The following is the approximate economic gain that the average East pilot would have received under management’s first proposal:

Captain: $28,975
First Officer: $15,766
These figures include an additional 10 days of vacation for pilots at the top of the accrual scale. Of course, this does not include the substantially improved work rules East pilots would gain, as well as full pay for deadheads, much improved pairing constructions rules, more golden days, 12 to 13 total days off for reserve pilots, etc.

To “pay it forward,â€￾ if we could have generated a joint contract by December 2007 prior to the East meltdown, and the East continues down the path of separate operations with no gain likely until at least two years past their amendable date of December 2009, that means the East MEC have likely forfeited the following amounts on behalf of their pilots:

Captain: $115,900
First Officer: $63,064
These total figures do not include the higher rates to achieve ratification or any outlying year increases, nor do they include any increased payments to the DC retirement plan.

 

[sharktooth]

First, AWA steps in and, as a result, you get to keep your jobs.

Second, you get to keep your jobs.

Third, you are full of BS.

:bleh:

Prove the first part. HP was on the ropes, not US.

US would have always kept their jobs, prove otherwise, mustashita. I think your MEC is lying to you.

Ouch, the last part really hurts. Tough when you (June) lose an argument and therefore must resort to name calling. Try using your mustachita for good instead of attempting to derail logic.

 

[Junebug172]

Prove the first part. HP was on the ropes, not US.

US would have always kept their jobs, prove otherwise, mustashita. I think your MEC is lying to you.

Ouch, the last part really hurts. Tough when you (June) lose an argument and therefore must resort to name calling. Try using your mustachita for good instead of attempting to derail logic.

I don't have to prove anything. Nicolau saw it and stated so in his award (which was agreed to by YOUR neutral)

Keeping dreamin' there puddin'

All I lost was about 5% in my relative seniority. Guess I'm still senior to you though.

Anyway, you keep hanging on to your fantasy. It doesn't matter anymore. The list will be presented to Parker, your lawsuit thrown out, and your callsign changed to "cactus."

Accept it.

 

[nycbusdriver]

He's gonna be a captain on the 757 to Hawaii.

Just ask him.

Is that true USA320Pilot?

You think you're going to be a 75 Captain in PHX?

Actually, I just threw that in to rattle some chains. I doubt he really wants to be based in PHX at all. I believe he still has his eyes on the left seat of a UAL 777 to NRT.

 

[Junebug172]

Is that true USA320Pilot?

You think you're going to be a 75 Captain in PHX?


Actually, I just threw that in to rattle some chains. I doubt he really wants to be based in PHX at all. I believe he still has his eyes on the left seat of a UAL 777 to NRT.

Is that true USA320Pilot?

You think you're going to be a 77 Captain flying to NRT?