IAM interference in fleet service

[Tim Nelson]

I have stayed away from all the talk of the 22 from PHL. Mainly because I actually know some of the guys and there are alot of families negatively affected. Due process will find a way.

Nonetheless, my understanding is that the NMB will not be ruling on this dispute soley on showing of support.

The NMB and the RLA were drafted to protect individuals, organizations, etc. from coercement, intimidation, and harrassment because there were alot of muggings & beatings going on in the 1930's. I'm not a history major but what this means is follows:

IMO, the NMB will be very vigilent on whatever evidence is used by the TWU to support intimidation in regards to the fleet service dispute. From what I heard this evidence is concrete, objective, and a 'lock' for NMB involvement.

This means that even if the TWU doesn't have 35% of the cards [even though they contend that they do] that the IAM's certification may still be subject to a vote.

At this time, I understand the TWU has until March 13th to present more evidence, and then the IAM has until the first week of April to respond. I do admit that most of the above is secondhand but I do believe it is within the boundary of what is being painted. I was told that a determination regarding the cards is unlikely until the interference charges are addressed.
The last sentence goes counter to what I suspected and I will not be surprised if the NMB does make a determination before it rules on interference. Dunno but that's the secondhand scoop, maybe someone can post more accurate information.

regards,

 

[700UW]

Wrong Tim,

The NMB cannot break their policy, the TWU must file cards and have the 35%.

Why are you posting things that are inaccurate once again?

And the NMB has all ready ruled single carrier status in favor of the IAM.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Wrong Tim,

The NMB cannot break their policy, the TWU must file cards and have the 35%.

Why are you posting things that are inaccurate once again?

And the NMB has all ready ruled single carrier status in favor of the IAM.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n014.pdf

Read this. This is the Single Carrier Status document from the NMB website. NOWHERE does it rule in favor of the IAM. Fleet, Training or Mechanic and Related. Pay particluar attention to the FINDINGS OF LAW III. And then you, 700, try again.

 

[700UW]

It is apparent you have no idea what Single Carrier Status means, do you?

Single carrier status means they are one company and they all fall under the IAM.

Single Carrier Status Letter

Go read the rest of the filings.

CONCLUSION
The Board finds that East and West are operating as a
single transportation system for representation purposes under the RLA. Accordingly, the IAM’s applications in File No. CR-6886 are converted to NMB Case Nos. R-7077 (Fleet Service Employees); R-7078 (Mechanics and Related Employees); and R-7079 (Maintenance Training Specialists). Pursuant to Manual Section 19.6, the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper crafts or classes. The IAM, TWU and IBT have 14 days from the date of this determination to file an application supported by a showing of interest of at least 35 percent of the single transportation system or to supplement the showing of interest in accordance with Manual Sections 19.601 and 19.603. The participants are reminded that existing certifications remain in effect until the Board issues a new certification or dismissal. Manual Section 19.7.

Do I need to explain to you what this means?

 

[700UW]

Bob,

You are not a union member nor do you have any idea about Single Carrier Status, the quoted text is from the NMB's ruling.

The IAM letter explains what the ruling means.

Stick to things you know about, funny how you have to post on every single subject and you have no idea about what this is about.

 

[700UW]

Once again you post things you have no idea about, you are not educating yourself, you asked no questions you have made statements which are inaccurate.

The letter was shown by me, I quoted the conclusion, and air woman posted the link to the whole determination.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

It is apparent you have no idea what Single Carrier Status means, do you?

Single carrier status means they are one company and they all fall under the IAM.

Single Carrier Status Letter

Go read the rest of the filings.
Do I need to explain to you what this means?

I do know what Single Carrier Status is. I have read the NMB document and I don't pay any attention to anything except that. And as I referenced, Legal Findings III, allows for organizing and representation........and that is what is currently going on. If it wasn't true, then we would all be IAM by now, with NO questions asked. But that's NOT what is happening. The IBT is still at US Airways, the TWU is still at US Airways and there are still employees who remain non union to this day. So.....they do NOT all fall under the IAM.

The IAM has filed an application for representation. Right out of your post.

The participants are reminded that existing certifications remain in effect until the Board issues a new certification or dismissal. Manual Section 19.7. Again, right out of your post. It does NOT say the IAM is in charge or in control other than for those currently covered. Existing certifications (IAM, IBT, TWU, etc.) REMAIN if effect.

That's because I'm trying to educate myself. A few select quotes possibly out of context from a self serving union teaches me nothing.

The IAM has IMO the same Casual relationship with the truth in speaking to its members, that US Management has with the IAM. In that regard you two deserve each other.

Bob, here is the link to the posting from the local Teamsters website.
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/usa..._carrier_1_.pdf

And here is the link to the NMB document.
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n014.pdf

 

[700UW]

The IAM has filed to represent all workers, as the single carrier status grants them that right.

The NMB is probably waiting to see if the cards filed by the ibt and twu are sufficent for an election or not.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The IAM has filed to represent all workers, as the single carrier status grants them that right.

The NMB is probably waiting to see if the cards filed by the ibt and twu are sufficent for an election or not.

Correct. The Single Carrier Status declaration also grants other unions to organize and follow the process to be the representing union. All unions must apply.
I believe that the NMB is in the verification process now. They've had plenty of time to "count" cards. And since they requested signatures for verification purposes from the company........sounds like card verification is happening. Only a matter of time.

 

[Awa Contract]

Bob I have to agree with you - anything on IAM letterhead is only good for wiping with.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The IAM has filed to represent all workers, as the single carrier status grants them that right.

The NMB is probably waiting to see if the cards filed by the ibt and twu are sufficent for an election or not.

Hmmm, now you are saying 'probably'. Oh yeah, it's a big probably i'll tell ya, your little ole IAM may be in some deep baby doo doo.
Like I said, it is also in process of 'determining' interference. Why do you bust on pineybob when it is you who pull NMB writings out of context and resort to utter nonsense.

Single carrier ruling has already been determined and nobody disputes that.

I started this thread because I was basicaly told the time framework and substance framework of what is going on AND thought maybe someone could provide more specific info. Unfortunately, you have not added anything but abrasiveness and continue to ramble about the goofy things you ramble about, and if anyone disagrees with you then you just say, 'Stick to what you know'.

regards,

 

[delldude]

And since they requested signatures for verification purposes from the company........sounds like card verification is happening. Only a matter of time.

don't forget IBT has been trying to get NMB to bend the rules so they can get the limited number of cards they have applied only to mechanics and not utes/stockies....as they will not make it on the full employee list given to nmb....some 7000??

 

[gonzo]

BTW - you can't vote.

 

[delldude]

BTW - you can't vote.

why then did IBT have me on their list??

ah...i see why bob roach wants me to send in a protest for a possible "left handed card".

 

[gonzo]

why then did IBT have me on their list??

Because you are on everyones "LIST". ROFL