Iam Merger Information

[700UW]

More information from the IAM

 

[AP Tech]

Looking through a contract book I cannot seem to find the section that mandates 9.1 mechanics per U aircraft?

 

[Phantom Fixer]

Looking through a contract book I cannot seem to find the section that mandates 9.1 mechanics per U aircraft?

You will not find a so-called mandate...its Scope and accomplishing the work entailed in that scope that drives the numbers of workers per Acft.

Loss of scope covered work would drive those numbers down significantly. 1000 Mechanics between PIT and CLT base perform the S-Checks in PIT...and the 50% of the C and Q's on the B-737-300/400 Fleet.

Loss of any of the above would be tragic for the combined workforce...where as staying with the IAM's current work rules would most likely mean additional people being hired to handle the former HP Fleet minus the B757's.

Yes...The rules cover the work but not the location of where said work is performed...and the U side of the coin could still easily lose PIT as a Base Maintenance ststion due to the lease abrogations that took place in BK 1.

However...CLT is still left un-touched by the rubber stamp BK Judges rulings...and PHX could also benefit in the long term....unless enough of the senior most people at HP get their way and the IBT current contract should be kept in place? Highly unlikely when you compare the numbers , isn't it?

 

[Bird Doctor]

Why do keep posting scare tactics. Do you and the IAM think you will lose the vote. so you post this, or are your IAM members to lazy to vote to get the 50%+1 and think that there will be no union repesentation. because every one I have talked to has told me they would vote. Some even said for the IAM That should make you happy. You should read the IBT contract cause it says that we won't out source any maintenance that is being done in house now. So no layoffs in the East. I dont see how you dont see going with the IBT is a WIN WIN WIN for all of us.

And plaese don't use scope in your reply.

INFO.
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/amwest_flier.pdf
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/usa...Meeting_PHL.pdf
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/usa...ech_Meeting.pdf

 

[gonzo]

This is my response to the IAM flyer on the Merger.

WHAT MAKES THE IAM CONTRACT SO SPECIAL

The teamsters negotiated out of bankruptcy which is a greater task than in bankruptcy. The company didn't need to negotiate any thing with Teamsters. The company was making money. Why negotiate? US Airways had to negotiate with the IAM because of the bankruptcy.

AN IAM CONTRACT MEANS MORE JOB SECURITY

The FAA sets the minimum number of people required to safely operate an airline. The number of support personnel that America West had per aircraft is less than US Air, true. This is one of the reasons that America West has not been in bankruptcy again as US Airways has. Remeber all the jobs that were lost by the IAM.

IAM NEGOTIATORS FIGHT FOR THE BEST CONTRACTS

America West was used as a positive example of how to avoid banckruptcy and avoid losing jobs. No Teamster has lost their job because of a reduction in force or lay off. Even in the face of the tragety on 9/11 did one Teamster lose their job, NO. Thousands have lost their job with the IAM.

IAM CONTRACTS PROTECT YOUR WORK FROM BEING FARMED OUT

The work outscourced by AWA was done before the Teamsters were voted in by the members. The work that the Teamsters have in house is written into the contract to stay in house. Nothing has been sucessfully outsourced since the Teamsters have had a contract with AWA.

A VOTE JEOPARDIZES EVERYTHING

Not having a vote jeopardizes your right to choose who you want to represent you. Educate yourself make an informed choice. Choose to vote.....sign a card today. Don't let anyone take that choice away.

 

[justaumechanic]

There is no mandate for 9.1 mechanics per aircraft.

Where does it say that in the contract book? Give me a page because I have
got to read it for myself.

How do they arrive at AWA at 6.6? AWA has 500 techs and 140 aircraft.. Math seems funny.

They fight for the best contract?

Hmmmm seems to me Southwest has a better contract.. They are AMFA and their contract
was negotiated by the IBT.. Seems to me they have the best contract followed closely by
the UPS guys.. They seem to have a good contract.. Hmmm. Arn't they IBT as well?

Now lets see..

US contract, IAM.. Stinks! United Contract, IAM.. Stinks! Aloha Contract, IAM.. Stinks!!

NWA IAM won't support another union, IAM. So their is a picket line up and the IAM is
doing AMFA work.. Hmmmm.. Seems a little odd..

American has a pretty good contract. They are TWU right?

So the IAM negotiates the best contracts in the industry? Based on what?

In Dougie's eye's 9.1 is bloated!! He is under orders from the Finance people to cut costs and
cut them right now. It is not a request. Dougie is a puppet now..

 

[700UW]

WN outsources over 70% of thier maintenance.

You can be the highest paid on paper, but if the work is outsourced hardly anyone will be making those wages.

 

[PITMTC]

WN outsources over 70% of thier maintenance.

You can be the highest paid on paper, but if the work is outsourced hardly anyone will be making those wages.

Which really means hardly anyone pays dues, right?

 

[700UW]

They have around 1,000 mechanics who are represented by AMFA, and it is not about dues, it is about jobs and having people able to make a living and support their families.

But we all know management at US does not care about its employees and its families especially Hangar Management in PIT who have taken the Concentration Camp rules of how to run a workplace.

 

[PITMTC]

Would you rather be part of 2400 mechanics making crappy wage and benefits with a chance to get better ones in the future, or, go back to what brought us to this fight in the first place? Being top heavy in management to support all the shops, support and mapower, but be limited to any monetary and benefit gains?
I say keep the current work and headcount and let future contract negotiations work on increasing benefit and scales, and forget the added work.
Just look at the pay scales at SW, UPS and FEDEX. Manpower efficient, benefits and pay up, but outsourced work. Management and unnecessary support function limited. It keeps the overhead down. It really is true. Now look at all the majors. They are going backwards.
What the true cost of increasing members for their dues equals is, putting a strain on the corporation.
If you do not learn from the past you will repeat the same mistakes. Keep it lean and mean (in pay and benefits that is). Stop the fight to increase manpower. Fight for the benefit of the ones that are paying dues now.
Just my two..

 

[delldude]

PITMTC:
suppose increasing manpower in an efficient manner while achieving monetary saving through cooperation between management and union would be out of the question?

 

[700UW]

Dell,

The company did not want any part of that as it was proposed during negotiations to them.

They don't want to be in the maintenance business and they certainly don't want to manage their people, that was their biggest reason for getting rid of utility as they did not want to manage the group.

Gee making management actually do their work, what a novel idea!

 

[PITMTC]

PITMTC:
suppose increasing manpower in an efficient manner while achieving monetary saving through cooperation between management and union would be out of the question?

You can't teach old dogs new tricks.
Since you can't get 500 mechanics to love the same directors and management below them, no matter how good the new executive team is, then I guess you need to get rid of the dir and mgrs. Give the boys a chance to get to know new people. I tried to tell you this in a previous post, but you did not get it.
No matter what Douog and group does, the big boys that are old school will try to run thing the same way. Get them out and try new blood. Maybe someone else will listen and try to work with the people?

 

[delldude]

You can't teach old dogs new tricks.
Since you can't get 500 mechanics to love the same directors and management below them, no matter how good the new executive team is, then I guess you need to get rid of the dir and mgrs. Give the boys a chance to get to know new people. I tried to tell you this in a previous post, but you did not get it.
No matter what Douog and group does, the big boys that are old school will try to run thing the same way. Get them out and try new blood. Maybe someone else will listen and try to work with the people?

heard you loud and clear the first time but you were slinging...which makes you quite guilty of the same mundane non trust that exists and still does between both of us. 😉
so where does it end?
you and i quit for the good of the company and future of management/union relations?

 

[PITMTC]

Dell,

The company did not want any part of that as it was proposed during negotiations to them.

They don't want to be in the maintenance business and they certainly don't want to manage their people, that was their biggest reason for getting rid of utility as they did not want to manage the group.

Gee making management actually do their work, what a novel idea!

Same rhetoric. I'm surprised you didn't throw in the "declared war on employees" line.
Listen, we are MOVING FORWARD! New executives, new breath of life out of BK. Get over your hatred in this management. Hopefully there will be change. The new mtc VP's are hearing things. If they react wisely, we may see a change in lower levels. That would give us a chance to let the good worker feel good about doing their jobs. I see the work getting done everyday, just not with good heart. Everybody would feel much better if the same sh_t-house lawyers wouldn't keep coming in everyday ranting the same sh_t everyday.

heard you loud and clear the first time but you were slinging...which makes you quite guilty of the same mundane non trust that exists and still does between both of us. 😉
so where does it end?
you and i quit for the good of the company and future of management/union relations?

No way bud, I will keep coming until they tell me to stop. I suggest you stay too. I hope (in a good way) that one day all the people who left on their own learn to regret it and the ones we pushed out would like to come back. I know, but it's just a wish. This is a great place with many great people, we just need to like the place and work again. I realize that this is hard with the financial impact we've taken, but maybe, just maybe that could change in future negotiations.
PS you make sense when you defend your opinion, not others. 😉