Here It Is The Iam Contract

[Charlie_Tuna]

The Teamsters are misinforming both America West and US Airways employees by saying that if they are successful in forcing a representation election and win certification for the Mechanic & Related employees at the newly merged carrier that the current IAM agreement with US Airways would not survive. This is false.

Better look at the FAQ from NMB question #40

40. Q: If a new organization is certified, does the collective bargaining agreement with the incumbent organization remain in force and effect until the new organization and the carrier negotiate a collective bargaining agreement?

A: This is not part of the representation procedures under the Act, but generally the answer is yes.

FAQ'S regarding representation

Section 19 of Representation Manual also deals with mergers.

Representation Manual

 

[700UW]

This says it all:

The IAM contract was abrogated both the ramp and mechanic and related in BK in Jan. 2005. The company gave the mechanics and related and ramp their final proposal for them to vote on after their contracts were abrogated. The leadership presented it for membership vote and the members ratified the company's final offer. If the membership would have voted it down, the IAM members would have and would have struck the airline.

It is the company who presented their final offer. It was the members themselves who could have voted it up or down by majority. I don't care what union you belong to...presented with the same scenerio, the obligation the leadership had was to send out the last final company proposal, after the judge allowed for abrogation of the IAM contract.

I personally do not believe the company acted in "good faith" with the IAM. And I believe that the judge did not consider the "parties acting in good faith" provision in an 1113 motion. There are reasons managment wanted the contract to be abrogated and why they motioned for an 1113:

A. They wanted the Utility outsourced, and they needed to eliminate over 1,000 jobs. Basically, their total elimination.
B. They wanted to outsource the mechanics work, furlough, and not honor the arbitration ruling.
C. They needed to dump the IAM pensions.

THere was no way the IAM could or would have settled or agreed to a T/A under the above conditions. So, the IAM ran out of time and the judge ruled for abrogation. THis is the same judge that approved the "Plan of Reorganization of an AWA merger in BK #2 and was also the presiding Judge in Bk #1.

Take it from there and put it together.

 

[Awa Contract]

The IAM has failed the mechanics - WITH THE IAM LOWER PAY AND LESS BENEFITS ARE YOUR FUTURE.

SIGN a Card - Do your own research and make up your own mind on which is best for you and your family - THEN VOTE WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU AND YOUR FUTURE -

 

[Emil.Howes]

And what can the IBT offer?
Considering the silent and lightning fast concessions at CO out of BK, what does the IBT bring to the table?
The ‘crux’ of the problem is the ‘MEMBERSHIP’!
The ‘MEMBERSHIP’ attitude will not change regardless of the representation.
They will Bit$h and whine about their dues monies but never be involved in the process.

And then they will blame <Insert Union Here>!

-BigE

 

[Amwestech]

Better look at the FAQ from NMB question #40

40. Q: If a new organization is certified, does the collective bargaining agreement with the incumbent organization remain in force and effect until the new organization and the carrier negotiate a collective bargaining agreement?

A: This is not part of the representation procedures under the Act, but generally the answer is yes.

FAQ'S regarding representation



So, who is the incumbent organization, IBT or iam?

 

[Mr Eagle]

And what can the IBT offer?
Considering the silent and lightning fast concessions at CO out of BK, what does the IBT bring to the table?
The ‘crux’ of the problem is the ‘MEMBERSHIP’!
The ‘MEMBERSHIP’ attitude will not change regardless of the representation.
They will Bit$h and whine about their dues monies but never be involved in the process.

And then they will blame <Insert Union Here>!

-BigE

Good Post: That Is OUR Problem People, Everone has An Answer But Not Everyone Wants to Put Down The Sword long enough for ALL Of US TO GET TOGETHER SO They Cannot Devide us. WE NEED SOME HOW TO GET ALL THESE UNIONS TOGETHER AND Stand Up For The WORKING MAN. What is The Answer I AM ASKING.???HOW DO We Get Multi UNIONS To Gether AMFA,IBT,IAM,TWU,ETC.SO When They Hurt ONE THey HURT all?
That IS What The ALPA Pilots are Doing. Getting Organized and Staying that way and Growing into a World Wide Organization.
Help Us Get POINTED In That Direction VETERANS,not Devouring each other like we continue to do.

 

[Hoopie]

everyone at U has a copy.....the company drug their feet the last time and they're doing it again.we can't make them print them.
we too have regular meetings and a very small minority choose to attend.Unionism is pretty well a dead issue at U and i wouldn't expect your ibt to revive a dead horse either.
your statement as to summaries is full of bunk...any idiot can see where the changes are to particular sections...its not that hard for us easties dude.

hey dude dont forget alot of us are from the east too,so get a clue...

 

[delldude]

i hope everyone notices the glaring holes in the IBT not yet ratified contract.
like scope- no movement since late 2003?
like duration-???? duh.....
see for yourself:link provided by the delldude

And what can the IBT offer?
Considering the silent and lightning fast concessions at CO out of BK, what does the IBT bring to the table?
The ‘crux’ of the problem is the ‘MEMBERSHIP’!
The ‘MEMBERSHIP’ attitude will not change regardless of the representation.
They will Bit$h and whine about their dues monies but never be involved in the process.

And then they will blame <Insert Union Here>!

-BigE

great post Big E......hats off!

 

[Awa Contract]

I realize since your point of view is IAM induced you might consider that these have been left open to this date intentionally - We were not willing to discuss duration till we know how much money we had to work with. The items left open were done so for reason that made very good sense to the committee and to the membership, unlike the IAM, our membership is briefed as to what is going on. They get to see the TA's and are kept informed of the proceedings where the IAM was visably upset that we made THEIR contract available to THEIR membership, something they should have done 9 months ago. I forgot - you prefer to keep your members in the dark and feed them like mushrooms that way you can pass the buck on the company for your failures.

 

[pitguy]

The IAM is corrupt and they should have given their membership a copy of the contract. I know the company is responsible for printing contracts, but the IAM could have provided something in .PDF format. I think they just did not want everyone to know how bad they took it in the shorts. I also feel by the Teamsters getting this information may show the company may favor them which can not be good. Reality is even though the IAM is corrupt and is a poor excuse for a union they will win out because of seniority issues on the new carrier and they represent more folks with a vote. The IAM is a scab union though (Northwest Airlines). I pity the folks left at Airways. You are not done bleeding.

 

[Awa Contract]

Seniority is not an issue -- Teamsters have come out in open support of DAte of Hire Seniority

 

[pitguy]

Is it true date of hire? Which means no exclusions and exceptions? You know that will mean a very high percentage of AWA mechanics will go on the bottom? Will Teamsters guarantee the seniority issue in writing?

 

[Awa Contract]

It is in writing posted on the Airline division website - Date Of Hire Seniority, there is no fine print or hidden pages. We are well aware where that places us on the list. This was agreed to in hopes that you would want our pay and benefits over the IAM.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

It is in writing posted on the Airline division website - Date Of Hire Seniority, there is no fine print or hidden pages. We are well aware where that places us on the list. This was agreed to in hopes that you would want our pay and benefits over the IAM.

I'll eagerly accept your pay and benefits....as long as it doesn't cost 1000 AMT's , 50 Ute's , Dozens of Stock Clerks , Numerous Planners and Tech Doc Specialists their jobs.

Let the IBT nail down alike or better verbage on Scope issues...would should in reality be viewed by both side as "Headcount" issues...then you might have some whom are eager to listen.

I will not be party to anything that speaks of more assured lay-offs within our combined group...and if it means a few bucks less...and a handfull of fewer paid Holiday's? So be it !!!

 

[Awa Contract]

Read our current scope any work that is part of the bargining unit can not be outsourced - it doesn't get much plainer than that. We will expand the scope in our current negociations also our proposal that the lawyers drew up was already expanded and that was before the merger was on the horizon. Do the research look at the contracts and talk to us at one of the meetings, then make up your own mind.

You will not loose any jobs with the IBT this is just info being spread by the IAM.