diogenes,
You guessed right, unfortunately...[IMHO of course]
IAM Officer Election
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You guessed right, unfortunately...[IMHO of course]
Let's see - working conditions and remuneration have gone backwards, folks don't feel connected to their organization or its leaders, and usually find out union info on this site,
AND
they stand pat on union leadership?
OR
Could it be the election rules are so convoluted, gerrymandered and rigged that you stand a better chance of ousting Kim Jong-il?
I find it saddening and ironic that a bastion of the Democratic Party stoops to the same election-rigging they decry when their opponents practice it.
Pot, kettle.
AND
they stand pat on union leadership?
OR
Could it be the election rules are so convoluted, gerrymandered and rigged that you stand a better chance of ousting Kim Jong-il?
I find it saddening and ironic that a bastion of the Democratic Party stoops to the same election-rigging they decry when their opponents practice it.
Pot, kettle.
cltbay1homie
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It's all in the count, the way you count, what you count,and what you dont, and what went in the burn barrel..Ya gotta love the system..Go IAM. And Tony G.
your Da Man. 😉 B) 😛h34r:
your Da Man. 😉 B) 😛h34r:
Of course the slate won. U corporate wouldn't have it any other way. They love their little lap dogs. If by chance the election really happened, (wild imagination I know) the fools that voted for them, got what they deserve and deserve what they get. NOTHING!!!! The End
the slate won most likely because the usual bunch participated and voted.you know,the core group of individuals who almost always do the union thing and attend and as usual the group of armchair unionists sit back and do nothing but pitch a ####. :down:
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT!
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT!
awausairtech
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AS a (participated member of the IBT) We will be glad to have your tired (of the IAM members) group of armchair unionists in the IBT...
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The PIT IAM makes people not feel welcome to participate and use bully type tactics to move Frank and the gang’s agenda along. Frank has done a disservice to unions. Ask any ex-IAM member who has left U what they think of unions. No one can stand them after their Frank experience. It is a shame because unions can do allot of good.
the problem is they don't attend or givadamn...........and IBT ain't going to lite them any better. 😉AS a (participated member of the IBT) We will be glad to have your tired (of the IAM members) group of armchair unionists in the IBT...
first you are totally ignorant of the process and blinded by your dislike for Frank.you follow the Bill mantra and harbor malcontent for IAM because of your failed agenda.
well dude,you're talking to an ex-IAM member and I personaly feel they did what they had to do to save what they had to...of course you have issues with this as you've indicated in prior posts....also I have no anti-union issues as apparently you do....unions are a good thing for all..its a proven fact....unless you weren't aware of that fact.I stepped up to the plate as a steward,and did what I had to to provide the people I worked for timely information and fact with regard to the BK issues I was dealt.funny thing,we worked the same shifts for the most part and I don't recall seeing you regularly at the monthly meetings....
so does being a lead on midnite o'haul displease you with your time? then do like I did and pack your bags....quit whining already...take life by the balls.there is a life out there after the big U.... 😱
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I left Airways a few years ago since I will not work for trailer park wages. I was very active in the union when I was a member of the union. Your reply makes no sense to me.
~Don't worry soon you will have John running the show on the local level. Here is a guy that can not even keep his own house in order and now he will be helping to screw up the members lives.
~I didn't realize you left Airways. I thought you were still there. What are you doing now?
~Don't worry soon you will have John running the show on the local level. Here is a guy that can not even keep his own house in order and now he will be helping to screw up the members lives.
~I didn't realize you left Airways. I thought you were still there. What are you doing now?
delldude,
Over on the fleet side back in the day, a few guys jumped thru the hoops to get the nomination, and guess what? The IAM ruled the newbies had not followed all of the arcana, and thus were not eligible to be on the ballot!
These guys had the stones to file a complaint with the DOL,who ruled the IAM had acted improperly and forced the IAM to put them on the ballot a few years later.
I'm afraid the problem runs a little deeper than apathy. The IAM breeds apathy amongst the rank n file, so we don't get uppity and pester them too much (so many conventions, so little time!)
I must say this thread reminds me of the joke about a candidate who won by a narrow margin, after a campaign of spin, rather than substance.
Reporter to candidate - do you attribute your win to apathy, or ignorance?
Candidate - I don't know, and I don't care!
Over on the fleet side back in the day, a few guys jumped thru the hoops to get the nomination, and guess what? The IAM ruled the newbies had not followed all of the arcana, and thus were not eligible to be on the ballot!
These guys had the stones to file a complaint with the DOL,who ruled the IAM had acted improperly and forced the IAM to put them on the ballot a few years later.
I'm afraid the problem runs a little deeper than apathy. The IAM breeds apathy amongst the rank n file, so we don't get uppity and pester them too much (so many conventions, so little time!)
I must say this thread reminds me of the joke about a candidate who won by a narrow margin, after a campaign of spin, rather than substance.
Reporter to candidate - do you attribute your win to apathy, or ignorance?
Candidate - I don't know, and I don't care!
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"Hmmmm......is this a happy IAM member? They make some good points."
Democracy Denied
How can the “3 Stooges†get elected despite the fact that we voted to fire them?
We will have to wait until we see the official vote tally for the full truth, but the fact that we were the first to take part in this one month long election allowed our union ample opportunity to contact the rest of the people that they represent at Continental, Southwest, and British Airways and persuade them to support the “3 Stooges†slate. That is the only legal way that this could have happened and explains Tony Giamarco’s claim on June 12th that “they may have won the battle, but I will win the war.†Once he knew the USAir results, he (and the international) spent the next several weeks manipulating the outcome of all the remaining local lodge votes.
Consider the following:
· The vote in Pitt/Philly/CLT took place the week of June 8th
· Tony was running his mouth by June 12th. “…I will win the warâ€
· Retirees were allowed and persuaded to vote for the “3 Stooges†in Pitt.
· About two weeks ago, a shop stewards meeting was held over at the local and our shop stewards were told that the “3 Stooges†got elected.
· Just last week we were told that the reason we didn’t yet have the official vote result is that they were not done counting yet (?).
How could they tell the shop stewards that the “3 Stooges†won if the votes weren’t counted yet?
Also, did you notice that once the stub is detached, there is absolutely no way to identify which ballot belongs to which individual union member’s stub because it has no number on it? Why we are using1940’s technology which allows the result to be skewed as the union sees fit is beyond irresponsible. They can just keep counting until the count yields the desired result.
The result of this latest election is no accident. The outcome is a direct result of how our union is structured. They rig the election process to ensure that we will not be able to repay our cowardly little AGC’s for giving away $500 million dollars worth of contract language. They don’t care what we think; they will force their will upon us no matter what.
Suffice it to say that there can be no doubt that the tired old claim by IAM supporters that, rather than fire the IAM, “we should get involved and try to change our union from within†is complete nonsense. The fact that we can’t even fire our pathetic union leaders through a legitimate democratic election is proof that the IAM is beyond repair. The 2nd vote should have been ample proof that there is no such thing as a…legitimate IAM vote.
Now then, if the NMB denies our bid to replace our union because many of you were too scared to fill out a simple card, these scumbag AGCs will be paid $108,000.00 per year for the next FOUR YEARS and they will be in position to negotiate our “industry leading†transition agreement. All we can hope is that the minimum number of cards that were submitted to the NMB by the February deadline passes scrutiny and allows us the opportunity to have a vote.
Note: IAM represented Baggage Handlers and Customer Service Agents continue to cross AMFA’s picket line at Northwest airlines and perform struck work. That the IAM is also organizing the SCABS at NW proves that we are in a SCAB union. Consider that and the fact that we are the last mechanics in this entire industry who still tolerate the IAM.
🙂
Democracy Denied
How can the “3 Stooges†get elected despite the fact that we voted to fire them?
We will have to wait until we see the official vote tally for the full truth, but the fact that we were the first to take part in this one month long election allowed our union ample opportunity to contact the rest of the people that they represent at Continental, Southwest, and British Airways and persuade them to support the “3 Stooges†slate. That is the only legal way that this could have happened and explains Tony Giamarco’s claim on June 12th that “they may have won the battle, but I will win the war.†Once he knew the USAir results, he (and the international) spent the next several weeks manipulating the outcome of all the remaining local lodge votes.
Consider the following:
· The vote in Pitt/Philly/CLT took place the week of June 8th
· Tony was running his mouth by June 12th. “…I will win the warâ€
· Retirees were allowed and persuaded to vote for the “3 Stooges†in Pitt.
· About two weeks ago, a shop stewards meeting was held over at the local and our shop stewards were told that the “3 Stooges†got elected.
· Just last week we were told that the reason we didn’t yet have the official vote result is that they were not done counting yet (?).
How could they tell the shop stewards that the “3 Stooges†won if the votes weren’t counted yet?
Also, did you notice that once the stub is detached, there is absolutely no way to identify which ballot belongs to which individual union member’s stub because it has no number on it? Why we are using1940’s technology which allows the result to be skewed as the union sees fit is beyond irresponsible. They can just keep counting until the count yields the desired result.
The result of this latest election is no accident. The outcome is a direct result of how our union is structured. They rig the election process to ensure that we will not be able to repay our cowardly little AGC’s for giving away $500 million dollars worth of contract language. They don’t care what we think; they will force their will upon us no matter what.
Suffice it to say that there can be no doubt that the tired old claim by IAM supporters that, rather than fire the IAM, “we should get involved and try to change our union from within†is complete nonsense. The fact that we can’t even fire our pathetic union leaders through a legitimate democratic election is proof that the IAM is beyond repair. The 2nd vote should have been ample proof that there is no such thing as a…legitimate IAM vote.
Now then, if the NMB denies our bid to replace our union because many of you were too scared to fill out a simple card, these scumbag AGCs will be paid $108,000.00 per year for the next FOUR YEARS and they will be in position to negotiate our “industry leading†transition agreement. All we can hope is that the minimum number of cards that were submitted to the NMB by the February deadline passes scrutiny and allows us the opportunity to have a vote.
Note: IAM represented Baggage Handlers and Customer Service Agents continue to cross AMFA’s picket line at Northwest airlines and perform struck work. That the IAM is also organizing the SCABS at NW proves that we are in a SCAB union. Consider that and the fact that we are the last mechanics in this entire industry who still tolerate the IAM.
🙂
It is very simple to get past the emotional too-and-fro of this, and get to an objective fact.
If the IAM election process is open and fair, then the membership can change their leadership at will. Given the magnitude of IAM retreat, in terms of membership and contract language, one would think the membership would occasionally choose to do so.
So,
When was the last time a sitting AGC was replaced by a candidate nominated by the membership (as opposed to the appointment route the IAM usually takes)?
(Cue the countdown music from Jeopardy - do-do-do-do, do-do do.....!)
If the IAM election process is open and fair, then the membership can change their leadership at will. Given the magnitude of IAM retreat, in terms of membership and contract language, one would think the membership would occasionally choose to do so.
So,
When was the last time a sitting AGC was replaced by a candidate nominated by the membership (as opposed to the appointment route the IAM usually takes)?
(Cue the countdown music from Jeopardy - do-do-do-do, do-do do.....!)
