if we cannot recommend it, we’re not sending it

[proAMT]

TWU President Jim Little told the world, "If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it,"

I would like to see the names of the negotiators openly recommending this contract.

Is this statement a complete fabrication or is there any merit to it?

Steve Luis, Local 514 President, will not look me in the eye and recommend this contract.

 

[rjf1251]

TWU President Jim Little told the world, "If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it,"

I would like to see the names of the negotiators openly recommending this contract.

Is this statement a complete fabrication or is there any merit to it?

Steve Luis, Local 514 President, will not look me in the eye and recommend this contract.

It was reported in ATWonline this week that the TWU would NOT be sending the contract on the the membership because it was such an embarassment to them. My question is, then WHY didn't they continue to negotiate TO a satisfactory contract that they COULD reccomend?? Has American's Management ALWAYS done this?? And how many Other contracts were Half assed just to get a vote up or down from the membership?? It seems to me that American's Negotiators are "testing the waters" before getting into the "real" negotiating mode, And. It seems they intend to go Just far ENOUGH to not give too much but just enough to keep the "Grumblers" at bay. Am I reading this correctly??

 

[The Goose]

TWU President Jim Little told the world, "If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it,"

I would like to see the names of the negotiators openly recommending this contract.

Is this statement a complete fabrication or is there any merit to it?

Steve Luis, Local 514 President, will not look me in the eye and recommend this contract.

Requisite to what you are asking is a certain amount of personal integrity - do you really expect any of that from an entrenched union officer/official knowing full well they could be removed from their office by the International for their "badthink"?

Parking personal integrity at the curb must be an unspoken part of the officers' oaths upon installation.

 

[eolesen]

Perhaps, but parking personal opinion is also supposed to be a pre-requisite. You're supposed to represent your constituency, not your own personal feelings about a given topic... Sucks to be in the 49.9%, but if 50.1% is in favor, that's what you have to go with...

 

[The Goose]

Perhaps, but parking personal opinion is also supposed to be a pre-requisite. You're supposed to represent your constituency, not your own personal feelings about a given topic... Sucks to be in the 49.9%, but if 50.1% is in favor, that's what you have to go with...

For someone not involved in the air transport industry, you seem to have quite a few facts and figures.

Am I to understand you and your office buds are voting "yes" on our TA?

 

[paul1]

TWU President Jim Little told the world, "If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it" (i'm still waiting to see what the nmb has to say about this bad faith neg.)

I believe that is what he said about the fleet service contract nothing to to do with maint. and related agreements

To me it just looks like your using this forum as a way drum up support for you and whoever for the elections . I'm so sure just like all this other past and current prez. they all buckle in the end. look at the pilotss I belive they voted in a new gang.

so pound your chest tell everybody how much you are going to do and in the end we will be worst off if not lucky to be the same

the real sad part about all this if it every came down to a strike I will be standing on the picket line watching all the whiner's cross over talking about how hard it's out there

and if you think you can push the contrart to 12 hour neg. just before the walkout to get that grand contract or look for the PEB ot bail you out think again congress will give them selfs a raise way be fore you and I after all they have to keep air fares lows to get there votes

 

[DFWTWU]

TWU President Jim Little told the world, "If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it" (i'm still waiting to see what the nmb has to say about this bad faith neg.)

I believe that is what he said about the fleet service contract nothing to to do with maint. and related agreements

Mind you his comes from Facebook and a TWU FSC but it would be worth entertaining.................... "For those of you in the maintenance and related group, I've heard from
an impeachable source that Jim Little is willing to pull the
maintenance T/A off the table, but only if 2/3 of the maintenance
presidents call him directly to complain about the T/A.

...Time to ratchet up the pressure on your presidents."

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#!/profile.php?id=100000151867018

 

[eolesen]

For someone not involved in the air transport industry, you seem to have quite a few facts and figures.

Am I to understand you and your office buds are voting "yes" on our TA?

I ain't voting on anything.... I'm alluding to Washington more than I am the TA, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the vote come down to a 1-3% margin....

Seriously, I can't take what I hear here without a serious grain of salt. The tone here is so anti-TWU that anyone who might actually agree with the TWU on any given day wouldn't dare speak up. Everyone posting here says they voted no in 2003 (regardless of workgroup) yet the RPA votes all passed...

Even here, there are probably people who say they're voting "no" up until the point they actually cast their ballot as a "yes" and will continue to say they voted no..... I still can't find many people who admitted for voting Bush in 2000, yet he won the election...

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------eolesen, I may be way off base here, but just curious.------- Is, or in the past, has AA been, a client of the consulting firm you are presantly working for? It seems you are investing a lot of "working hours" on this forum!

 

[OgieJFK]

I ain't voting on anything.... I'm alluding to Washington more than I am the TA, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the vote come down to a 1-3% margin....

That depends on the voting method we will be using. Are we using the "phone" method to vote again? Arthur Andersen still around to tally the votes? I still think it was a scam how that 2003 vote went down. I had my local president (Chiafolo) have some his stewards go around telling guys they had to vote yes or they'd be out of a job. Someone also put up printed signs in the break rooms and work areas that said " DON'T CALL--VOTES OFF". No one knows who did it or admits to it. Don't even get me started by the bogus phone voting method. Didn't the JFK mech's local sue over it?

Seriously, I can't take what I hear here without a serious grain of salt. The tone here is so anti-TWU that anyone who might actually agree with the TWU on any given day wouldn't dare speak up.

Well, there's really not much to love about the TWU the last 9 years or so. I welcome any supporter of the TWU to speak up. I love debating and looking at someone elses differentiating opinion. It's the internet...speak up....most of us don't use our full names, so there's some anonymity to it all. Though I must admit most people know me by my name in the handle.

Everyone posting here says they voted no in 2003 (regardless of workgroup) yet the RPA votes all passed...

I voted NO in 2003 and will be voting NO in 2010. I haven't vote yes on a contract since I started at AA 23 years ago. Not even on the 2001 contract that FINALLY gave us something instead of taking away from us.

there are probably people who say they're voting "no" up until the point they actually cast their ballot as a "yes" and will continue to say they voted no.....

I hear what you are saying there. I know of some people that voted yes but say they voted no in 2003. These guys I love to REMIND that they voted yes and what didn't you understand by permanent givebacks.

I still can't find many people who admitted for voting Bush in 2000, yet he won the election...

I'm registered as an independent and voted for Bush in 2000.
.

 

[AANOTOK]

I ain't voting on anything.... I'm alluding to Washington more than I am the TA, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the vote come down to a 1-3% margin....

Seriously, I can't take what I hear here without a serious grain of salt. The tone here is so anti-TWU that anyone who might actually agree with the TWU on any given day wouldn't dare speak up. Everyone posting here says they voted no in 2003 (regardless of workgroup) yet the RPA votes all passed...

Even here, there are probably people who say they're voting "no" up until the point they actually cast their ballot as a "yes" and will continue to say they voted no..... I still can't find many people who admitted for voting Bush in 2000, yet he won the election...

(1) Voted for the concessions in 2003 - MISTAKE

(2) Voted against Bush - STILL CAN'T STAND HIM

(3) Would vote against T/A - DON'T NEED RESTORE AND MORE, BUT NO MORE CONCESSIONS!

And before you ask, I did vote for OBAMA - HUGE MISTAKE

By the way, in my 30 years, I have voted yes on a contract or two.

 

[eolesen]

<_< ------eolesen, I may be way off base here, but just curious.------- Is, or in the past, has AA been, a client of the consulting firm you are presantly working for? It seems you are investing a lot of "working hours" on this forum!

I've been in Europe for the past couple weeks, so your "working hours" are my evening....

AA is a customer for another business unit, but not for consulting just yet. They have enough companies fighting for that business, and they don't use our systems.

 

[MCI transplant]

I've been in Europe for the past couple weeks, so your "working hours" are my evening....

AA is a customer for another business unit, but not for consulting just yet. They have enough companies fighting for that business, and they don't use our systems.

<_< ------- Thank you for an honest answer. I know the time difference thing can, at times, be a "challenge"! "Another business unit"? Of the same company?

 

[paul1]

just bring this thing to a vote already if it gets voted in its already time to start all over again

and yes I'm most likely a yes vote

the best we ever got from the company was 93 or 95 and the twu had nothing to really do with it

this union $%#$%

its amazing all the contracts that get voted in and all I hear is all the babies on the floor crying the loudest how to vote no

hey asig.com is hiring nice .50 cents above min. wage in il (and other places)go get it boys

 

[proAMT]

TWU President Jim Little told the world, "If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it" (i'm still waiting to see what the nmb has to say about this bad faith neg.)

I believe that is what he said about the fleet service contract nothing to to do with maint. and related agreements

To me it just looks like your using this forum as a way drum up support for you and whoever for the elections . I'm so sure just like all this other past and current prez. they all buckle in the end. look at the pilotss I belive they voted in a new gang.

so pound your chest tell everybody how much you are going to do and in the end we will be worst off if not lucky to be the same

the real sad part about all this if it every came down to a strike I will be standing on the picket line watching all the whiner's cross over talking about how hard it's out there

and if you think you can push the contrart to 12 hour neg. just before the walkout to get that grand contract or look for the PEB ot bail you out think again congress will give them selfs a raise way be fore you and I after all they have to keep air fares lows to get there votes

Are you kidding me? "If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it", am I to believe that rational applies only to fleet? Why would Mr. Little be so concerned about fleet and not as concerned about the rest of us?

Should he have said, If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it unless your M&R, Supply or Tech Services?

This t/a is NOT recommended (I see no evidence of that anywhere and no names on this topic to indicate otherwise) and is NOT fit to be sent to the membership for approval or disapproval. There are numerous items that need more negotiation. Why go from 1/7 weekend coverage to 7/7th's perhaps we could get something in return and if we did maybe we would be inclined to ask the membership to broaden coverage to 2/7ths or 3/7ths. Perhaps those 49 and under are willing to pay more in prefunding and keep the current program, perhaps there are members who would like to switch voluntarily to a 401k match rather than keeping the current program. All these items need to be explored in negotiations. This t/a is skewed toward the company in such a way that it is a major turning point in our careers. I happen to think it is the point where our work becomes a job rather than a career. They think they have problems now-how well do you think TWU members will perform with this thing wrapped around our necks?

I want to return to a time when we had pride in our profession and when we made American Airlines second to none.

Chest pounding? Yep, I've been a chest pounder since 1995 that is the year I quit trusting the TWU to work for me. It was either become a chest pounder or take their abuse without complaint. Personally I'd rather be a squeaky wheel, We are falling off a cliff if this bad contract somehow miraculously passes via a smoke and mirrors campaign whipped up by the people we pay to protect are interests.