Is It Right Screwing Over The Airline Operations

[Rico]

I had nothing to do with this stupid move by stupid employeee's stupid part.

I am\ just pointing out that they placed their unions further into a corner, and whatever goodwill they might have had has evaporated.

That was real dumb.

And yeah, those who did not participate will bear the fallout from their stupid counterpart's actions, that is obvious already to those who HAVE been working the last few days.

they made your bed, get ready to sleep in it.

 

[delldude]

I had nothing to do with this stupid move ny stupid employeee's stupid part.

I am\ just pointing out that they placed their unions further into a corner, and whatever goodwill they might have had has evaporated.

That was real dumb.

And yeah, those who did not participate will bear the fallout from their stupid counterpart's actions, that is obvious already to those who HAVE been working the last few days.

made your bed, get ready to sleep in it.

[post="231979"][/post]​

MOVE OVER DUDE...I NEED A LITTLE ROOM....

 

[Rico]

Anyone who HAS been working the lst few days has already dealt with the fallout from what their stupid counterparts did.

My point was that near term, such can be used as further leverage against the unions as well. This has only hurt their position with the Judge, not helped.

The argument that outsourcing can resolve this issue will not just apply to PHL, but everywhere else that such problems could occur.

This affair has only solidified the company's argument, so IMO the near and long term effects will not go well for the remaining unions. That is pretty obvious.

 

[delldude]

a drastic reduction in ticket sales will effect all of us including you.....be prepared for all eventualities rico.....
rico is this the end?

 

[N924PS]

So your solution is to screw 88 other cities because of what some disgruntled employees did in PHL?

Real smart, NOT!

And the ramp service companies are worse when it comes to service and reliablity, those workers don't care.

[post="231976"][/post]​

Depends on the company. Ever been to RSW?

The contractor there does a superb job. They have no beef with USAirways as certain employee groups do. Their allegiance and loyalty is to their employer. Perhaps they make more than the $7.00/hr U management is trying to force on its in house workforce.

Once again, the transgressions of a small percentage of disgruntled workers could cause the good employess at 88 other cities to suffer the consequences.

 

[700UW]

RSW is express city now, and no airline has contract rampers at a hub station.

 

[Rico]

I know of multiple stations that already use contracted services rather than Airways emplyees.

BTV, SAV, HPN to name a few... So yeah, what the idiots in PHL did could easily effect not themsleves but outstations as well. If they are already able to outsource fueling or catering at a hub, there seems little reason other non flight, and non certificated positions coud not be farmed out in a hub too.

Like I said, stupid coworkers might have made things bad for their counterparts long after the holidays are over.

700UW is right, what was needed here was leadership, he just pointed the finger in the wrong directiuon. Hate to say it, but most everyone would agree that unsactioned work actions are the sign of a weak and chaotic uniion, right...?

Anyways, We wil get to see how this all plays into next week's hearings. I have seen a post regarding what the local DC news had to say on this, and if I were the IAM, I would sure hope that Judge Mitchell was not watching TV during the last few days.

Dumb dumb dumb...

 

[N924PS]

RSW is express city now, and no airline has contract rampers at a hub station.

[post="231985"][/post]​

The point was there ARE contractors available that can do the job. And without all the turmoil that is currently being experienced. Maybe USAirways will be the first to have contract rampers a hub stations in early 2005.

 

[PITbull]

Anyone who HAS been working the lst few days has already dealt with the fallout from what their stupid counterparts did.

My point was that near term, such can be used as further leverage against the unions as well. This has only hurt their position with the Judge, not helped.

The argument that outsourcing can resolve this issue will not just apply to PHL, but everywhere else that such problems could occur.

This affair has only solidified the company's argument, so IMO the near and long term effects will not go well for the remaining unions. That is pretty obvious.

[post="231981"][/post]​

And your nuts! Solidified the company's argument that the rank and file should work for poverty wages, and that their contracts should be thrwon out, so the company can accomplish what????? Improved "employee relations"? Did you take your meds today?

If the company decides to compromise the vote, by proving to the pax that they are no way responsible for not being prepared for weather and staffing situations (which occurs year after year after year in every carrier), and the judge or managment decide for punitive actions, then this could be fatal for the entire co. with the vote of both IAM and AFA.

 

[700UW]

There are no hearings next week, Judge is on vacation.

The case is over unless the CWA or AFA T/As are rejected.

And what has happened will not affect the judges decision the case is all ready over and that would be evidence not in testimony, the judge can only rule on evidence and testimony presented in court, not on a TV news or in the newspaper.

And the union is the members, a governing body cannot control the actions of its members at every city.

 

[Rico]

blahblah blah, your arguments sound real pasty when compared to a little kid crying because his grandparents were stranded in PHL by some jacka@*es that wanted to get back at the company.

Even if anyone agrees with you, actions such as this have caused the loss of precious goodwill with the piblic and powers that be, and you know it.

So do not gripe at me, either gripe at the idiots that did this, or find union leadership that can lead their members,.rather than allowing the loss of endgame leverage right prior to upcoming hearings.

unions are powerful when they act in cohesion. Like I said, most people would consider large scale, unsactioned work actions to reflect poorly upon the unions thmeselves, dontcha think PitBull...?

 

[700UW]

Leaders like the Give Away Gang at ALPA?

Real intelligent reply there, blah blah blah. Gee guess you can't take it when you are shown to be wrong.

No hearings Mitchell is on a cruise, you cant make a ruling on ex parte evidence.

Don't hate player, hate the game.

And Rico, if you were the ALPA President and your pilots called in sick, how are you gonna stop them?

Answer is you can't. Plain and simple.

 

[Rico]

Boy, you sure like to talk a lot of crap about ALPA, but as much as I am not a big fan of them either, I would have to say they have been doing a lot better than the IAM.

You guys get kicked out of place after place, while ALPA brings back into the fold large pilot groups like FedEx, and CAL/CALEX

And you talk about no stones, but I seem to remember a different ALPA that stood firm and striking recently with Comair, and NWA in recent times.

A union is most strong when it acts in cohesion, and moves with one thought and one voice and one set of goals. Unsanctioned actions by small or large groups of members does nothing but hurt a unions cause in the long run, and open those members up to possible termination and reprimand.

You cannot argue with my point, that these events have hurt the case that the IAM will try to make against outsourcing. Yeah, the actions of many in PHL might have repercussions they did not expect, but that is why unions do the negotiations and not some self appointed group of malcontents...

Causality... Actions lead to an effect. .Just might not be what you expected.

 

[700UW]

Lets see, CAL was independent they affiliated with ALPA and then merged, never a vote between two different unions.

IAM is still the largest union in the airlines, but typical response from you about the IAM instead of sticking to the issue at hand.

FedEx same, no vote between two unions.

Lets see your union gave up your pension without a membership vote, your union basically gives unlimited outsourcing.

The outsourcing the company really wants is heavy mtc and no one or no department in mtc has staged a sick out.

So since more F/As have called in sick should US get Mesa's FAs trained and replace the mainline ones?

I don't condone what happened but it was a ticking time bomb.

 

[Rico]

Huh, hey, you know how you like to tell others they have no clue about your own union, well, YOU have no clue about ALPA, dude, both FedEx and CAl were former ALPA, that left and were wooed back into the fold after long and difficult efforts.

How many airline mechanics groups have you picked up lately...?

Thought so.

But hey, this is not about ALPA, is it. Bringing them up is only a means to distract people from the huge pie in the face that this recent affair has been for the IAM and AFA.

But hey, it was a ticking time bomb tight...? Again, sounds like a reason to outsource and no longer have any bombs lying around than to put up with such, If the company did not ask for it already, they sure can use this event as an excuse to do so, and you know it.

That is what I meant by it being a dumb action on the members part. Not smart to go causing the replacement if your own job.