Is It Right Screwing Over The Airline Operations

[airbiiguy]

"Maybe they went to college and achieved advanced degrees. Maybe they worked hard to put themselves in a position to earn those wages".
WT%F man, I pity your kind...I have a college degree in somethign that isnt the easiest thing in the world, that being said I dont think I'm above someone who doesnt have a degree. Jsut becuase someone doesnt have a degree doesnt mean they are worthless, these people have done the same job for 20-30 years! give them a break. Thats what they are good at, if everyone was a doctor there would be no janitors and so forth. People like you n925ps, make me disgusted with the world at large. You aint s**t cuz you have a degree and I can talk cuz I have two!! I know a lot of dummies who have degrees who are WORTHLESS, most liekly someone liek you who thinks they are a gift from the heavens. Id liek to know what your degree is in HRM??

 

[MCORORES]

First of all I do not condone or support what happened and is happening during the Christmas time frame. The sad part is the passengers are the ones and also those employees who showed up to work their assigned shifts and even overtime are those who are getting the screws put to them. The facts are PHL is a problem during a routine operations and there has historically been an upswing in sick calls during the holidays. PHL was bound to happen and it is amazing that it took this long for it to happen. The fact is also that this so called plan the company had just in case it happened well quite simply did not work. Heck why bother even trying anymore??? You back a dog in a corner and it comes out fighting. You strip away a persons dignity and they then just do not give a damn. The one that should be held accountable for this situation will not be, we all know what slides downward. One needs to ask why this res agent is not going into work to do the best this agent can do to help out this stranded passengers. Quite simply put during the last weather situation myself and my supervisor spent quality time together discussing my call work time and call talk time during that time frame. Needless to say I was not my pleasant self and than it struck me why put myself thru this. Do not get me wrong, did my time and then some Thursday and Friday and more than likely will also spend somemore quality time with my supervisor because of these two days. Now magnify my situation to the sick calls and PHL. Like I stated b4 I do not condone or support what happened during the christmas weekend but prehaps this post will shed a little light on the mindset of the grunts on the front line.

 

[Winglet]

Lakefield can fire everybody, then hire back $7 an hour drug addicts, but the result will be worse. You think those $7 an hour knotheads are going to bust their butts in times that are busy and purposely undermanned? He'll be lucky if they show up at all.

 

[supercruiser]

Sick calls were as they always are around the holidays and this managment should have been better prepared.

[post="231655"][/post]​

Translation: Flight attendants always call in sick over the holidays, so what's the problem?

I wish that all those that called in sick and were not, were fired immediately. Then you could spend the next year (not that US Airways is going to be around more than the next few weeks) trying to get their jobs back. Doesn't matter to me whether you call it human nature, management caused it, or the dog made me do it, it was flat out wrong, and hurt their fellow employees and the customers at a very crucial time.

The fact that you were out there encouraging f/a's to volunteer to work, shows the seriousness of the situation. In retrospect, maybe the FA leadership should have put out the word before the holiday to not do the usual xmas flu during this critical time.

supercruiser

 

[Borescope]

I wish that all those that called in sick and were not, were fired immediately.

[post="231914"][/post]​

I would be willing to bet that each and every one of those that called in actually said they were sick. Do you really think that someone called in and said "I'm really not sick, but I'm calling in anyway"? Sick leave is a negoiated item in you contract, the employees want it, so they negoiated for it. If I were you I would use it rather than lose it. If you stop working with time in you sick bank, you just gave money away. You can alway send it to me if you if you don't know what to do with it.

 

[PITbull]

Cruiser,

Not so fast pal....

Even managment didn't prepare for weather on Thursday in PHL and PIT. We were once again, behind the 8 ball at that point. Coupled with usual holiday staffing shortages...and YOUR GROUP IS NOT HEROS IN NOT CALLING IN SICK, so I am sure you are including your wonderful great, pilot group, right?

The company did not issue "vacation fly back" UNTIL CHRISTMAS DAY!!!


So, they were ill prepared as well, sparky.

I'm not defending those that abuse sick on medical or LTD or OJI or any such thing in any company. And abuse happens in every company whether you are unionized OR NOT!

Lack of morale and the shattered human spirit is very evident during the holidays where folks just want to be surrounded by the people that they love and love them.

That's human nature. Just about all of senior managment is ON vacation or OFF for the holidays PAID!!!!!!(That's a FACT)!. They have no clue what it is like to work every single damn holiday every single damn year....AND NOW, ON A SEVERELY REDUCED WAGE.

I acknowledge your opinion and insightfulness, but you are "slanted". That's my opinion!

 

[deano]

Translation: Flight attendants always call in sick over the holidays, so what's the problem?

I wish that all those that called in sick and were not, were fired immediately. Then you could spend the next year (not that US Airways is going to be around more than the next few weeks) trying to get their jobs back. Doesn't matter to me whether you call it human nature, management caused it, or the dog made me do it, it was flat out wrong, and hurt their fellow employees and the customers at a very crucial time.

The fact that you were out there encouraging f/a's to volunteer to work, shows the seriousness of the situation. In retrospect, maybe the FA leadership should have put out the word before the holiday to not do the usual xmas flu during this critical time.

supercruiser

[post="231914"][/post]​

wrong (rông, rong), adj.
1. not in accordance with what is morally right or good: a wrong deed.
2. deviating from truth or fact; erroneous: a wrong answer.
3. not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; in error: You are wrong to blame him.
4. not proper or usual; not in accordance with requirements or recommended practice: the wrong way to hold a golf club.
5. out of order; awry; amiss: Something is wrong with the machine.
6. not suitable or appropriate: He always says the wrong thing.
7. (of clothing) that should be worn or kept inward or under: You're wearing the sweater wrong side out.
–n.
8. that which is wrong, or not in accordance with morality, goodness, or truth; evil: I committed many wrongs.
9. an injustice: The wrongs they suffered aged them.
10. Law.
a. an invasion of another's right, to his damage.
b. a tort.
11. get in wrong, Slang. to cause to come into disfavor: We are forever getting in wrong with the people next door.
12. in the wrong, to blame; in error: He knew he was in the wrong but refused to concede the point.
–adv.
13. in a wrong manner; not rightly; awry; amiss: You did it wrong again.
14. go wrong,
a. to go amiss; fail: Everything is going wrong today.
b. to pursue an immoral course; become depraved: Bad friends caused him to go wrong.
–v.t.
15. to do wrong to; treat unfairly or unjustly; harm.
16. to impute evil to (someone) unjustly; malign.
[bef. 1100; (adj.) ME wrong, wrang, OE wrang, perh. < ODan wrang; cf. Dan vrang wrong, ON rangr awry; (v. and adv.) ME, deriv. of the adj.; (n.) ME; OE wrang, deriv. of the adj.; akin to WRING]
—wrongÆer, n.
—wrongÆly, adv.
—wrongÆness, n.
—Syn. 1. bad, evil, wicked, sinful, immoral, iniquitous, reprehensible, crooked. 2. inaccurate, incorrect, false, untrue, mistaken. 6. improper, unsuitable. 8. misdoing, wickedness, sin, vice. 15. maltreat, abuse, oppress, cheat, defraud, dishonor.

“It Was Flat Out Wrongâ€, You Say.

Read the meaning of wrong and then restate your twisted, slanted, distorted, biased post. Management meets the same criteria and then some.

The employees at U are NOT androids, but very human therefore what is making you post asinine posts is a thing called human nature, which is being manipulated by a very human and callous management team who also believes employees are androids.

In short___ Get Real Pal!

Curt

 

[MrAeroMan]

It doesn't help the situation but it sticking it to management is a good thing.If then rest of the U.S.Air employees were committed to unionism they would have walked off the airplanes and joined the other employees who called in sick.
By not supporting the employees willing to risk their jobs the management can and will cut your pay and benefits even more.
You have it backwards,the employees that stayed on the job screwed over the employees who took action.

[post="231877"][/post]​

Seek help Sir...you truly are delusional.

 

[MrAeroMan]

yes its right to stand up for a management screw job.
these guys sit home a make 100 to 500 thousand and these agents go to work for no penison and no health bennies. what goes around come around

[post="231878"][/post]​

Enough with the class envy thing with you. All you do is b*&$C and complain about someone making more than you. Head on over to China or N. Korea and work in a nationalized factory then you will be happy making the same as everyone else.
Get over it man and move on for your own sake.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I'll wager that every one of the employees who called in sick was actually sick.

Sick of the abuse at the hands of incompetent, unapologetic management and the rubber-stamp bankruptcy process.



That being said, I expect the puffed-up buffoons here to start calling for me, and others who are fed up, to just quit. Here's my response. I gave USAirways up for dead about 9 months ago and have contingency plans B, C, and D just waiting to go. Why don't I leave? Two reasons: First, why the he!! should I? It's my job and if I want to stay around for morbid curiosity, it's noboy's business but mine. Plans B, C, and D will be there when I want them. Second, the pay still beats plan B, C, and D, and I would be foolish to forgo my unemployment compensation subsidized vacation. Plans B, C, and D will keep me comfortable, but why walk away from a pot of money while I can still bleed it from the dying company that has shown me nothing but scorn, abuse, disloyalty and incompetence for the last 16 years?

So, don't ask me to leave if I don't like it. Call me a ghoul, but I'm enjoying the show on some level. And these forums are a GREAT running narrative of the tragi-comic saga of the death of USAirways.


Let me close with a quote from Frederick Douglass:

"Find out what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice which will be imposed upon them. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

(Something tells me Bronner, Lakefield and the tyranny of bankruptcy have found those limits this past week.)

 

[planejane]

Planejane if you fired them the majority would get their jobs back and all the back pay.

You simply just can't fire someone without the just cause test passing

[post="231876"][/post]​

Hopefully, aborgation could end that rule and all the unproductive can be shown the door. It would serve them well. Your the laughing stock of the airline industry.
I say all you loyal employees should band together and insist the company deal with these problem employees. It's time to take your company back. Show some intergrity and get the scum off your property.

 

[700UW]

You are a prime example of why this company is in such dire straights.

 

[planejane]

Why? Because I suggested that your company get rid of unproductive/dishonest employees? So you can produce a product that customers want? I'm a customer and it's now my fault your company is failing? You have got be to kidding me, fool!

 

[LGA / 037]

Is it right for management to screw over workers, misuse concessions and break contracts at whim?

[post="231506"][/post]​

Do You Really think passengers whom are the bottom line care about your statement ?

 

[700UW]

Why don't you get rid of unproductive executives and managers who have run this company into the ground.

Well if the passengers knew, they would know why this company is in shambles.

You forget those very said employees have all ready given back 20,000 less jobs and over $2.4 billion in concessions since 9/02.