Is this true USAPA?

[Freightdawg747]

I've been reading on a few message boards that USAPA is going to court to try and get a judge to keep airlines OUTSIDE of USAirways from denying USAPA members jumpseats before everyone at my airline jumps to conclusions.... is this true or is this an internal thing with your west coast division?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I've been reading on a few message boards that USAPA is going to court to try and get a judge to keep airlines OUTSIDE of USAirways from denying USAPA members jumpseats before everyone at my airline jumps to conclusions.... is this true or is this an internal thing with your west coast division?

Total nonsense. Our west brethren seem to go to great lengths to discredit USAPA in any way possible. If all are not careful we could lose jumpseats altogether. Online and off. That would be a shame for all concerned.

BTW. As much as they would like to believe it, there is no west coast division.

 

[Crzipilot]

Well I believe what the lawsuit says, there's a link here somewhere. Is that it is requesting the courts to stop the practice of west pilots denying jumpseats based solely on usapa membership. As well as encouraging other airlines to deny jumpseat based on same principle. I.E. a political jumpseat war. As after the usapa vote. I believe there were many messages from West members, calling on friends and other airlines to deny jumpseats to ANY EAST pilot based on their employment. In so far as the west guys posted letters on how to determine a west pilot from a east pilot. So are they trying to take away capt. descretion. No. They are attempting to stop the West pilots from starting or waging a industry wide campaign of denying jumpseats to East pilots solely based on membership of Usapa. As I'm sure there are many carriers that use the East network to goto work, jumpseat wars don't help anyone.

 

[nostradamus]

Flamebait, for the definition of the word click here.

 

[luvn737s]

Mr. Seham gave USAPA a Frequent Frivolous Lawsuit Card. After the 9th, the 10th is free.

 

[Mtnman928]

Well I believe what the lawsuit says, there's a link here somewhere. Is that it is requesting the courts to stop the practice of west pilots denying jumpseats based solely on usapa membership. As well as encouraging other airlines to deny jumpseat based on same principle. I.E. a political jumpseat war. As after the usapa vote. I believe there were many messages from West members, calling on friends and other airlines to deny jumpseats to ANY EAST pilot based on their employment. In so far as the west guys posted letters on how to determine a west pilot from a east pilot. So are they trying to take away capt. descretion. No. They are attempting to stop the West pilots from starting or waging a industry wide campaign of denying jumpseats to East pilots solely based on membership of Usapa. As I'm sure there are many carriers that use the East network to goto work, jumpseat wars don't help anyone.

I just finished a 4 day trip basically from several cities in Florida to PHL & CLT. Combining all of those flights I had 2 American pilots, 3 Continental pilots, 3 American Eagle pilots, 2 Jet Blue pilots, a United pilot, a Northwest pilot, a Mesa pilot, a Continental Express pilot, a Air Wisconsin pilot and numerous USAir pilots.

I have to ask the question; should a Jumpseat War break out; who do you think is going to suffer the most? The USAir pilot or all the other airline pilots that live in Florida or anywhere else for that matter and use USAir to get to work.

I doubt any other airline pilot organization is going to allow the denying of USAir pilots a jumpseat because of internal problems at here at USAirways. I think a good number of flights across the United States would get cancelled because their crewmembers wouldn’t be able to ride on USAirways and have no alternate way to get to work/home.

MM

 

[exB717Flyer]

I've been reading on a few message boards that USAPA is going to court to try and get a judge to keep airlines OUTSIDE of USAirways from denying USAPA members jumpseats before everyone at my airline jumps to conclusions.... is this true or is this an internal thing with your west coast division?

Here's the relevent excerpted quotes from USAPA's request for a TRO:

III. Issue a Preliminary Injunction, the same to be made permanent on final judgment, that orders all Defendants, and any of their officers, agents, or employees, be prohibited from the following acts:

3. From denying, conspiring to deny, or instigating denial of, access to "jump seats" on aircraft operated by any commercial carrier because of suspected membership in, or support of, USAPA, or status as an "East pilot," or because of any pretextual excuse to hide such anti-USAPA animus, or animus against East pilots;

 

[nycbusdriver]

I believe the lawsuit charges a concerted, organized (as in "organized crime" and RICO) effort by the westie 118 plaintiffs to encourage west pilots and other air carrier pilots to deny jumpseat to US Airways east pilots. There's nothing asking for the court to order anyone to do anything regarding requiring jumpseat authority. The lawsuit is asking the judge (and jury, if it gets that far) to hold the 118 plaintiffs accountable for their actions if those actions are found to be illegal.

 

[EastUS]

Mr. Seham gave USAPA a Frequent Frivolous Lawsuit Card. After the 9th, the 10th is free.

It's an honest shame that you can't actually deny the behavior, but are limited to attempting "cute" one-liners instead.

 

[Richard]

This should be discussed in the Pilot Labor Thread.

Please continue discussion there--and remember there is only ONE thread per labor group per week, and labor threads can only be started by moderators.

Thank you.