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charlie Brown said:
I'm not going to get in back and forth discussions with posters. I'll leave that up to all of you that have time to be on hear every day. I just come on when I get some time on the weekends to answer as many questions or five as much info as I can. As far as our committee. And how I feel about professional negotiators. People will always feel that way. I personally come from the opinion that a guy that has worked the job for 30 + years is far more knowledgable about what that work group needs and demands instead of someone on the outside. And our lead negotiator Tom Regen IMO is as good as they come. That's including anyone the company puts up against him. I wish people had the chance to hear and see this guy in action. And I say that as a person that wasn't the biggest Tom Regen fan years ago before I seen him at work. And while it took the TWU guys awhile to get to know him. I'm pretty sure they all feel the same way about him now.
I've heard good things about Tom from multiple people. Hope he finds another great medical plan to propose to the company.

And again I'll take your years of knowledge of knowing your contract, contract language and dealings with those people in the room over Jerry McGuire any day of the week.

Now will they freakin ask you some questions this week? Ugh.
 
charlie Brown said:
Updates or not that many updates?
It's a lose lose either way we go. We realize that. You piss people off if you don't give them. But you also piss people off when you give them because they feel nothing is getting done. They aren't educated on how negotiations go. A lot of negotiations is posturing. This goes on a lot. It's a normal part of the process. So weekly briefings while some may like it. It will also frustrate those that aren't used to weeks of not getting much done.
 
 
I believe it would be an "eye opening" experience if every member was able to sit in the room, just one day, in contract negotiations. They might see what a business it is. They might see the true posture of the company, behind closed doors, when proposals are exchanged. Their dreams of the "New AA" making everything right by us would quickly be dashed. You are correct about weekly updates. Double edge sword. Past leadership stayed away from it because of the ever changing status of specific proposals. The reality is the NC will have to scratch and claw for improvements to each Article of the JCBA. This is already evident. As we move toward the big $$$ issues and Articles we can expect even more resistance by the company. I'm not talking about hourly wage. I'm talking about assaults on scope, job protection, part time ratio, temp employees, medical benefits etc. I see battles on the horizon CB. Your thoughts?    
 
ograc said:
I believe it would be an "eye opening" experience if every member was able to sit in the room, just one day, in contract negotiations. They might see what a business it is. They might see the true posture of the company, behind closed doors, when proposals are exchanged. Their dreams of the "New AA" making everything right by us would quickly be dashed. You are correct about weekly updates. Double edge sword. Past leadership stayed away from it because of the ever changing status of specific proposals. The reality is the NC will have to scratch and claw for improvements to each Article of the JCBA. This is already evident. As we move toward the big $$$ issues and Articles we can expect even more resistance by the company. I'm not talking about hourly wage. I'm talking about assaults on scope, job protection, part time ratio, temp employees, medical benefits etc. I see battles on the horizon CB. Your thoughts?
Yes definitely battles on the horizon. But nothing unexpected. You've been around along time Ograc. You know how this will go. The company is trying its best to take each article and whatever group lags behind in that article, basically just bring the other group up to equal. Then throwing in a few morsels and saying that's good. The NC wants and demands, and so should all of you " a leading Industry contract". As expected, that's not going to happen easily. This is a unique time to get what we deserve for fleet. But the company is well trained on not just handing it to you. We are starting to get into the bigger issues. Sick leave, shift trades, hours of work, it's getting interesting to say the least.
 
Scope, medical, pay, maybe one or two more. These will more than likely be the last ones before the agreement is reached. Because they are all so money related. This is why everything else is done before these issues. The company and the union cost everything out as we go.
 
lineguy43 said:
In 92 at NW we took concessions too but AMFA was not on the property then we were IAM. But don't let the facts get in your way when it comes to AMFA.
Learn to comprehend what I wrote, we were talking about strikes, the IAM M&R went on strike in 92 against US, and when you were AMFA at NW you went on strike also, no one was talking about concessions.
 
Gone for now. If anyone has any questions or comments, I'll try and get back on sat or sun to comment or answer if I can. Everybody hang in there.
 
charlie Brown said:
I'm not going to get in back and forth discussions with posters. I'll leave that up to all of you that have time to be on here every day. I just come on when I get some time on the weekends to answer as many questions or give as much info as I can. As far as our committee. And how I feel about professional negotiators. People will always feel that way. I personally come from the opinion that a guy that has worked the job for 30 + years is far more knowledgable about what that work group needs and demands instead of someone on the outside. And our lead negotiator Tom Regen IMO is as good as they come. That's including anyone the company puts up against him. I wish people had the chance to hear and see this guy in action. And I say that as a person that wasn't the biggest Tom Regen fan years ago before I seen him at work. And while it took the TWU guys awhile to get to know him. I'm pretty sure they all feel the same way about him now.
Tom was one of my mentors, he is a great guy and a good friend.
 
Very knowledgeable and well educated, people have no idea how skilled he is, I am glad to call him a friend.
 
700UW said:
Tom was one of my mentors, he is a great guy and a good friend.
 
Very knowledgeable and well educated, people have no idea how skilled he is, I am glad to call him a friend.
Same here too 700. I agree 100%. The man has taught me much. And I appreciate it greatly.
 
charlie Brown said:
Same here too 700. I agree 100%. The man has taught me much. And I appreciate it greatly.
I have been blessed in my mentors and people who helped train and educate me.
 
Chick Kavros, the man the organized the IAM at US, Vic Mazzacco,one of the best AGCs and GLRs ever, Steve Cooke, Tony Giammarco, who is like a father to me, Joe Mantineo, who trained Tom, Will Cashion, Joe Tiberi, Sito, Dennis Hitchcock, Roach, Placid Harbor Staff, and others who I probably will forget to acknowledge,
 
ograc said:
 
The point is companies, regardless of which Federal Act they negotiate under, have the common fault. Greed and selfishness. It's nothing new. Given that... my point is we have reason to be cautious about how JCBA negotiations will go. With so many BIG issues to be resolved in our JCBA negotiations it's premature to predict where we will be a few months from now. That will be determined, by the posture of the company going forward, as the bigger $$$ issues and Articles are proposed and countered by both parties. I say that with the belief the NC will continue to resist any concessionary proposals passed by the company.
 
There is plenty difference and there is no leverage for the union in Section 6, until a 30 day cooling off period.

You do know the RLA was enacted to prevent the disruption of interstate commerce.
 
CB. I wish all the nego team best of luck dealing with those ugly ducklings. Rumor in my station has it company wants jobs. After all the dam sacrifices we have up this airline has been hugely profitable. Then those ducklins go to LAA n get labor support for merger. LAA unions buy into it. LUS still did not have deal at that time. It all goes to show mgmt will never ever change their cheap add labor. No matter how profitable the airline is. It's time everyone works by the book. If delays pile up so be it. Good luck in talks. It's not surprisingly nor shocking. All traits of how good ole uncle Parker cares only bout himself n the investors
 
charlie Brown said:
Same here too 700. I agree 100%. The man has taught me much. And I appreciate it greatly.
 
I'm very comfortable with GLR Tommy R. leading the Negotiating Team. Very sharp and knowledgeable. A true numbers man (bean counter). I'd put him up against anyone the company wants to sit at the table. Have met him and spoke with him in the past. Very impressed. I'm sure he is costing out all proposals. It's what he does. Hang in there CB, NC and everyone.
 
 
charlie Brown said:
I'm not going to get in back and forth discussions with posters. I'll leave that up to all of you that have time to be on here every day. I just come on when I get some time on the weekends to answer as many questions or give as much info as I can. As far as our committee. And how I feel about professional negotiators. People will always feel that way. I personally come from the opinion that a guy that has worked the job for 30 + years is far more knowledgable about what that work group needs and demands instead of someone on the outside. And our lead negotiator Tom Regen IMO is as good as they come. That's including anyone the company puts up against him. I wish people had the chance to hear and see this guy in action. And I say that as a person that wasn't the biggest Tom Regen fan years ago before I seen him at work. And while it took the TWU guys awhile to get to know him. I'm pretty sure they all feel the same way about him now.
Nice to know the lead negotiator is so well thought of. Thanks for enlightening me. I appreciate that the job the NC does is not fun and is very tedious work. Thanks for your posts also as most guys, myself included don't have a clue about going through the process of negotiating. Especially with corporate greed on the other side of the table.
 
charlie Brown said:
I'm not going to get in back and forth discussions with posters. I'll leave that up to all of you that have time to be on here every day. I just come on when I get some time on the weekends to answer as many questions or give as much info as I can. As far as our committee. And how I feel about professional negotiators. People will always feel that way. I personally come from the opinion that a guy that has worked the job for 30 + years is far more knowledgable about what that work group needs and demands instead of someone on the outside. And our lead negotiator Tom Regen IMO is as good as they come. That's including anyone the company puts up against him. I wish people had the chance to hear and see this guy in action. And I say that as a person that wasn't the biggest Tom Regen fan years ago before I seen him at work. And while it took the TWU guys awhile to get to know him. I'm pretty sure they all feel the same way about him now.
The 30 year guy knowing what his group wants and knowing how best to get it are two different things...
 
charlie Brown said:
Scope, medical, pay, maybe one or two more. These will more than likely be the last ones before the agreement is reached. Because they are all so money related. This is why everything else is done before these issues. The company and the union cost everything out as we go.
CB I think I can ask this? Has the company negotiators reacted yet to the new agreement over at UAL? What I particularly find interesting is that they will be getting an almost $2.00 per hour contribution to the IAMPF (no half rate for PT) AND a 3% 401k match. I like that deal personally.

Parker "seems" to be dialing back his rhetoric on the 3% above whoever comments that he's made all over the system to get everyone riled up. That 3% is just a shell game anyway since all he's doing is frontending it if he keeps us weak on the backend.

Also they have in their contract a retiree medical bridge where you can use your sick bank between age 60 to 65. 11 hours per month can be used to "basically" purchase retiree medical through the company until that's exhausted. On the AA side too many years now of only 5 days per year has exhausted many of our banks and maybe you can discuss some type of replenishment of that?

The company IMO owes me $6500.00 worth of retiree medical match monies. If we could get a bridge like IAM UAL I personally wouldn't mind MY money being converted back into sick time hours (hopefully at my current rate of pay)

Food for thought.
 
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