JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

Average temperature in Winter in South Florida is a wonderful 74 degrees. And in FLL you can keep your IAM ball cap.

Who would be Tim's equivalent at the TWU

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

The rotating shifts (specific only to TWU JFK and LGA) I'm sure they'll fight tooth and nail to keep going. But you also know there are jobs you can bid that you won't have to do the rotation dance. I'm sure you've already thought about the job you're going to take when were merged.

 
Tell me about these rotating shifts that are specific to JFK and LGA.I don't seem to recall any rotating shifts at either station unless you bid VR.Only thing that rotates are the days off.
 
Correction, if you end up with a day off relief spot your shifts will rotate,but that is a conscious decision made by the person bidding the spot.

 

[Worldport]

 
Tell me about these rotating shifts that are specific to JFK and LGA.I don't seem to recall any rotating shifts at either station unless you bid VR.Only thing that rotates are the days off.

I know Lav dumps for one. There are only a few jobs and I'll be number 5 so I'll see. How about airfreight at JFK?

 

[Worldport]

I know Lav dumps for one. There are only a few jobs and I'll be number 5 so I'll see. How about airfreight at JFK?

Weez I would be number 1 clerk at MIA or number 4 crew chief

 

[Jester]

That's their choice, are you suggesting a more restrictive swap policy? Lets say needing to work X amount of hours to qualify for benefits, that's fine by me. 

My point is that being "full time" or "part time" on the US side is just a label in most cases outside of a guaranteed 40 hours per week with the bid schedule, and cheaper health insurance.  It does provide some additional benefits in being furloughed with some limited bumping privileges and moving expenses.  However, how is someone "full-time" while working 15 hours a week vs a "part-timer" who does 60 hours a week?
 
Doesn't strike me as a fair system where people can deliberately work a fraction of the hours of another, but yet they get lower insurance premiums because of a label even with the same DOH?

 

[Worldport]

Average temperature in Winter in South Florida is a wonderful 74 degrees. And in FLL you can keep your IAM ball cap.

Weez looking at jet net there are a few places SAT,SJU DTW where LUS does not have fleet so people will have to be added there. during the winter months LUS could have as many as 4 330s in SJU

 

[Tim Nelson]

If true I will lose my insurance, lose my well deserved days off due to rotating and according to Tim my seniority I was hired in March of 78 but my seniority date is late April 78 Weaasles says it doesn't matter but here at LGA people were hired in clusters so actually one day of seniority makes a difference

They arent goin to give up cargo laa. Other than your lus insurance, when they integrate the seniority they areplanning on screwing LUS and instead of going by doh (when you enter the class), they are planning to use old seniority policies and are goin to refuse to recognize lus and twa doh into the class. Remember, they could be fair and go by doh in the class but i was told they wont.

Hopefully, we dont lose other things that made it thru bankruptcy. I mean there are no logics to lose things that we fought for thru 2 bankruptcies, right?

 

[Worldport]

They arent goin to give up cargo laa. Other than your lus insurance, when they integrate the seniority they areplanning on screwing LUS and instead of going by doh (when you enter the class), they are planning to use old seniority policies and are goin to refuse to recognize lus and twa doh into the class. Remember, they could be fair and go by doh in the class but i was told they wont.

Hopefully, we dont lose other things that made it thru bankruptcy. I mean there are no logics to lose things that we fought for thru 2 bankruptcies, right?

I don't know about us fighting for things, more like what the company didn't feel like taking from us in bankruptcy. Tim you will be TWU are you going to bother with IAM affairs or will you  do some TWU whistle blowing

 

[WeAAsles]

Tell me about these rotating shifts that are specific to JFK and LGA.I don't seem to recall any rotating shifts at either station unless you bid VR.Only thing that rotates are the days off.
 
Correction, if you end up with a day off relief spot your shifts will rotate,but that is a conscious decision made by the person bidding the spot.

That's what we were talking about, the days off. It's the same thing since working a day is a shift. So they are rotating shifts. VR is bidding totally different lines and shifts.

 

[Tim Nelson]

rotating shifts which I don't believe will happen would cause a riot in CLT

while the iam is the grandaddy of rotating shifts, i doubt any of our negotiators would sign on to that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez I would be number 1 clerk at MIA or number 4 crew chief

I'd take Bagroom CC then. Pretty easy gig.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Then explain why in maintenance where there is no part time and they have the cheaper insurance?

+1

 

[WeAAsles]

My point is that being "full time" or "part time" on the US side is just a label in most cases outside of a guaranteed 40 hours per week with the bid schedule, and cheaper health insurance.  It does provide some additional benefits in being furloughed with some limited bumping privileges and moving expenses.  However, how is someone "full-time" while working 15 hours a week vs a "part-timer" who does 60 hours a week?
 
Doesn't strike me as a fair system where people can deliberately work a fraction of the hours of another, but yet they get lower insurance premiums because of a label even with the same DOH?

It's fair because a person chooses to put in for FT. It's not a position you're forced into if you don't want it. What an individual does with that shift thanks to the change shift program is his business.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't know about us fighting for things, more like what the company didn't feel like taking from us in bankruptcy. Tim you will be TWU are you going to bother with IAM affairs or will you  do some TWU whistle blowing

ill b twu but ill stay involved with the iam. I dont have to b a candidate again. Ill support my twu local just like i support my iam local.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe? But if you do it's only an increase of about $40.00 per month for a single. I think with around a $1000.00 per month raise you'll be able to handle it.

if it is reduced down to that then tuff to argue unless other things are whacked.