JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

I knew i would get you to confirm that.
And thats the story, the union bosses have stalled on scope wages pension health care etc and havent even exchanged proposals on those items.
We will not get the same economic package that we would have got 6 months ago because the environment is changing.
Yes, the cwa got 8,000 more members under scope. Much better than at united where they been paying dues but our idiots capped scope at 28 stations and 35 flights. Morons.

Stalled? LMAO. Noooooo. They haven't "reached" that item in the talks yet. Just like wages which will be the absolute last item before they reach a TA to send out.

Jeez Louise man.

 

[WeAAsles]

Man this BREXIT thing has really given everyone the Heeby Jeeby's today. Yea it's gonna be a bumpy ride but the World isn't going to fall off the rails from it.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm thinking if the update is any indication, the pull back has already started. Looks like to me, they are not wanting to treat all work groups equally.

Parker and the company were in a better position to give us a much better economic package than they are now. The brexit will potentially cost the company up to 8% loss of revenue already in a softwr industry.

This is becoming a negotiations disaster. With less on the table, and a window that is still closing, the question becomes, does our negotiation team understand math and the longer they wait, the less we get.

The company is saving $10 million a day and each of us is losing $925 as our negotiation team blew off negotiations at the middle/end of the week to go over seniority. Seniority can be settled later.

We have morons. I tried to tell these idiots that they should expedite things and address meat and potatoes, but they just didnt listen. They spent 6 weeks on leaves of absence, and flittered around 5 weeks over temp agents. Now the economic package is reduced. They dont listen.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Traymark, do you ha
 

Traymark, do you have the specific language? I'm not disagreeing with you, It's just I thought the Pilots were the only ones getting the "contribution" and everyone else it was a match.

Pilots bounced from 8 to 16% now.

If im lucky, my morons will get us another nickle in my awful iampf. Our negotiators were all company when we were non union, so this blunder is not surprising.

 

[WeAAsles]

Parker and the company were in a better position to give us a much better economic package than they are now. The brexit will potentially cost the company up to 8% loss of revenue already in a softwr industry.
This is becoming a negotiations disaster. With less on the table, and a window that is still closing, the question becomes, does our negotiation team understand math and the longer they wait, the less we get.
The company is saving $10 million a day and each of us is losing $925 as our negotiation team blew off negotiations at the middle/end of the week to go over seniority. Seniority can be settled later.
We have morons. I tried to tell these idiots that they should expedite things and address meat and potatoes, but they just didnt listen. They spent 6 weeks on leaves of absence, and flittered around 5 weeks over temp agents. Now the economic package is reduced. They dont listen.

Yes the economic package has been reduced.

Doug just got off the phone with Tim.

 

[AANOTOK]

Tim, before you start your battle back with W, answer this question I keep throwing out there. No one seems to want to touch it.
 
What could they be discussing in Seniority integration if the MOU already exist.

 

[WeAAsles]

Pilots bounced from 8 to 16% now.
If im lucky, my morons will get us another nickle in my awful iampf. Our negotiators were all company when we were non union, so this blunder is not surprising.

Dude you REALLY need some medication. Valium?

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim, before you start your battle back with W, answer this question I keep throwing out there. No one seems to want to touch it.
 
What could they be discussing in Seniority integration if the MOU already exist.

Hope you don't mind? I "think" there were issues on picking SS # over Birthdays and a few other small things. That committee is a separate one from our negotiators for a contract but I think the Arbitrator wanted their opinions on the issue.

As the update said, the Arbitrator will send out information soon.

 

[Slopoke]

Tim, before you start your battle back with W, answer this question I keep throwing out there. No one seems to want to touch it.
 
What could they be discussing in Seniority integration if the MOU already exist.

 
 
Maybe the "crew chief" seniority is an issue? The USAir side is date of becoming a crew chief, AA is the occupational date.

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe the "crew chief" seniority is an issue? The USAir side is date of becoming a crew chief, AA is the occupational date.

Isn't that only in Maintenance?

 

[AANOTOK]

Again, another issue that should have been (and was actually agreed upon) taking away from the time that could be spent with other articles. And don't tell me anymore "Pro Association Crowd" that differences among our negotiators and or contracts are not slowing the process down. Items that should have been agreed upon before negotiations began. AA is to blame here for the slow process no doubt, but the Association is not without fault!

 

[NYer]

Again, another issue that should have been (and was actually agreed upon) taking away from the time that could be spent with other articles. And don't tell me anymore "Pro Association Crowd" that differences among our negotiators and or contracts are not slowing the process down. Items that should have been agreed upon before negotiations began. AA is to blame here for the slow process no doubt, but the Association is not without fault!

 
Agreed. It took too long to get the process started and that wasted time is what we are now paying for.

 

[AANOTOK]

No doubt the frustration is building. While being behind the Ass, many of us are looking for an informative and extremely positive update. To read issues still need to be settled among the IAM and TWU this far into the process is problematic at best. And also to read AA is stepping backward, reviewing a proposal for the third time is very discouraging. Not even the "we have improved 17 of 20 articles" can raise the spirits since those are not the heart of what the members are looking for.
 
Lombardo, I would encourage you to put down your poker hand, strap on your six shooter, bow up and get this crap moving...it's time to stop AA and the ridiculous games they are playing with the TWU/IAM. The members are paying a huge price.

 

[T5towbar]

 
 
Maybe the "crew chief" seniority is an issue? The USAir side is date of becoming a crew chief, AA is the occupational date.

From the update I just read, I hear that Javits will be the arbitrator on the seniority matter.
Is there any differences between the two groups, like Lead/CC time; or DOH Company vs Craft time? And are there any disparities?
That was one of the issues in our integration, since we had many people had two or three seniority dates. And different Lead dates.  Both sides didn't gain much over the other one, and used the data between a one sided dominated hub, etc.
Personally, I thought the Javits decision was fair since there was grumbling on both sides, but not a lot. So I think he will do a good job.
 
Just my two cents..............

 

[AANOTOK]

MOU said it was settled and no changes would be made. Obviously the IAM and TWU cannot agree to or will go by the understanding already in place. How many other side shows between the two unions are delaying this process. I think this combination (Association) is delaying things more than we are led to believe.
 
Some of us are easier to dupe than others!