JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

My visions going south so I guess I could hold him up. I'm glad one of you shills finally admitted there is a IAM wall. I know you can't tell me but if I guess how much you are getting paid will you put up a smiley face? I'm thinking your IAM payroll number is 701

wasn't one guy on here scolded for saying that we are going to get the same as the CWA? Afterwards, agent 701, aka, weasel, came on here blaming management for offering substantially less but his boys will twist Parker's arm off and force Parker to at least match the CWA?

Of course, all of 701's other lies like they lost scope in the CWA. Hogwash. The upstairs peeps enhanced and exapanded scope. Here at ORD, there was zero scope at LAA prior to the new contract. In fact, zero scope for all of LAA. If those non union peeps could expand scope into all stations with 5 flights then why are our team members telling us off the record that they want to lower the flight activity to 15? And why are they telling us off the record that we will most likely convert to LAA health care?

This is becoming a disaster. Never mind that we are losing $925 a month as they increase their per diems and bar tabs on our dime.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sideshow? shouldn't they be in the "Main Tent" by now?

That's what worries me. If the dopes go in the main tent they will step in some elephant shiat because they don't look where they are walking. Thus far, it's been embarrassing, to say the least. The Klima Barbie tantrum to protect Miller cost us 9 months, then the 4 months they blew smoke up our arses saying that they had to reconcile articles. All of this could have been done months ago as Sidney said. But weasel ran Sidney off the page by proclaiming that the infighting delays were unnecessary, but beneficial and we can now expect $30.77 at DOS.

701 aka weasel, will be a hero if his latest magic ball becomes the first one to hit.

 

[Worldport]

I do have a big head. Have to buy special size hats. And size 12 freakin feet too. Ah the difficulties us tall people have to endure. Life would be so much easier I bet if I was short.

BTW I'm a righty and that's the one I'm keeping tied behind my back.

I like the way it's become your fault we don't have a T/A  very entertaining.700 is gone and you have become the new IAM whipping post. It's kind of like blaming the dog for farting but as I said entertaining and I think you are digging the ride Cameron

 

[Worldport]

That's what worries me. If the dopes go in the main tent they will step in some elephant shiat because they don't look where they are walking. Thus far, it's been embarrassing, to say the least. The Klima Barbie tantrum to protect Miller cost us 9 months, then the 4 months they blew smoke up our arses saying that they had to reconcile articles. All of this could have been done months ago as Sidney said. But weasel ran Sidney off the page by proclaiming that the infighting delays were unnecessary, but beneficial and we can now expect $30.77 at DOS.

701 aka weasel, will be a hero if his latest magic ball becomes the first one to hit.

He probably is right about the money but getting there wasn't part of a strategy. We literally fell into it

 

[WeAAsles]

everything I said is unfortunately showing up now, and everything you have said has been incorrect. You just don't listen, bro. The window has changed and that is why they are offering our group significantly less than the previous non union non contract peeps upstairs. Let's hope that the committee learns from its errors and expedites the piece of the pie and limits any further damages. We already know that the "Money is there" and that Parker freely will give us PS. It's time to wrap this sideshow up.

"The window has changed" Changed? Wait a minute. I thought the window was closed.

Alright when the hell did the contractor come in to change out that window? What does it really look like now?

And I like that you use the term "peep" Big Chickens go cluck cluck. Little Chickens go peep peep.

 

[WeAAsles]

wasn't one guy on here scolded for saying that we are going to get the same as the CWA? Afterwards, agent 701, aka, weasel, came on here blaming management for offering substantially less but his boys will twist Parker's arm off and force Parker to at least match the CWA?Of course, all of 701's other lies like they lost scope in the CWA. Hogwash. The upstairs peeps enhanced and exapanded scope. Here at ORD, there was zero scope at LAA prior to the new contract. In fact, zero scope for all of LAA. If those non union peeps could expand scope into all stations with 5 flights then why are our team members telling us off the record that they want to lower the flight activity to 15? And why are they telling us off the record that we will most likely convert to LAA health care?This is becoming a disaster. Never mind that we are losing $925 a month as they increase their per diems and bar tabs on our dime.

BTW Businessman your math is wrong once again.

We are not losing $925.00 per month right now. We are losing $1068.00 per month. (Not including shift differential and 401k match accumulations)

Can we know what business school you graduated from to verify your credentials? I checked Wharton and they never heard of you.

 

[robbedagain]

Tim   what exactly is wrong here?    do you have any proof or links to the facts regarding our contract will be less than what other groups have gotten?   you seem to be siding with parker and group   

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim   what exactly is wrong here?    do you have any proof or links to the facts regarding our contract will be less than what other groups have gotten?   you seem to be siding with parker and group

I'm not siding with anyone but something is wrong. It's taking way too long, when considering that all other groups have already been enjoying their contracts. The company has in fact offered less as the econcomic situation has changed from 1 year ago. Parker delivered to all other groups exactly as he said he would. Then he tossed in another 9% to the stews when he didn't have to. He didn't have to toss in PS to anyone since all contracts, including ours is already signed through 2016. he doesn't even have to bother negotiating now since our 2 Labor organizations already willingly gave him much of the synergies he will need with cross utilization. Yet our dopes have been the ones stalling. And Parker already said we will get industry leading pay as well so there is no need to discuss that, the PS, or anything else we already know.

And looking how Parker took care of the previous non union non contract peeps upstairs (75%) of all ticket agents, he expanded scope for that group and included all stations with 5 flights or more, then tossed in grandfather rights so nobody in stations with less than 5 flights would have to move. Took care of reservations as well. In fact, when you compare what Parker just gave the previous non contract peeps to what the IAM got at United, you won't find the IAM scope that limits stations to only 28 stations. You won't find half of reservations contracted out overseas as the IAM United agreed to.

Due to the extensive delay, the economic environment has changed. Getting scope down to 15 flights will now be a chore, hanging on to our LUS will now be impossible according to key peeps. And if it drags on, let's not hope the situation changes more for the worse. But Parker wants the money there and the PS there so hopefully, the IAM won't screw that up as well.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm not siding with anyone but something is wrong. It's taking way too long, when considering that all other groups have already been enjoying their contracts. The company has in fact offered less as the econcomic situation has changed from 1 year ago. Parker delivered to all other groups exactly as he said he would. Then he tossed in another 9% to the stews when he didn't have to. He didn't have to toss in PS to anyone since all contracts, including ours is already signed through 2016. he doesn't even have to bother negotiating now since our 2 Labor organizations already willingly gave him much of the synergies he will need with cross utilization. Yet our dopes have been the ones stalling. And Parker already said we will get industry leading pay as well so there is no need to discuss that, the PS, or anything else we already know.And looking how Parker took care of the previous non union non contract peeps upstairs (75%) of all ticket agents, he expanded scope for that group and included all stations with 5 flights or more, then tossed in grandfather rights so nobody in stations with less than 5 flights would have to move. Took care of reservations as well. In fact, when you compare what Parker just gave the previous non contract peeps to what the IAM got at United, you won't find the IAM scope that limits stations to only 28 stations. You won't find half of reservations contracted out overseas as the IAM United agreed to.Due to the extensive delay, the economic environment has changed. Getting scope down to 15 flights will now be a chore, hanging on to our LUS will now be impossible according to key peeps. And if it drags on, let's not hope the situation changes more for the worse. But Parker wants the money there and the PS there so hopefully, the IAM won't screw that up as well.

So now it's "The economic environment has changed"

How many times am I going to have to keep posting these links for you.

Old Political adage. Say it enough times and you can convince people to believe it.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stocks-extend-winning-streak-to-new-record-high-close-2016-07-14?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/airlines-etf-flying-high-week-190501481.html

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim   what exactly is wrong here?    do you have any proof or links to the facts regarding our contract will be less than what other groups have gotten?   you seem to be siding with parker and group

Charlie Brown thinks our contract will wind up being better than the Agents and since Charlie Brown is a negotiator DIRECTLY in that room, I'm going to listen to Charlie Brown.

Thank you Charlie Brown.

 

[AANOTOK]

Prez is in there as well, what does he think. I have also heard there is optimism among some that we will be voting on something between the end of Aug and mid Sept.

 

[AANOTOK]

NYer, before your battle starts with WeAssles, any equity updates, and will we be voting before Jan. Thanks

 

[robbedagain]

i want proof of the scope changes Tim    provide proof please    Nonunion  mgmt can do as they plz   DL is a prime example of this area     I dont think nor believe this will be not even close to being as horrid as you seem to make it to be

 

[AANOTOK]

It was hammered into our heads that the reason the Ass was formed was CLOUT CLOUT CLOUT. Well, we should see soon enough. The T/A will definitely be a defining moment. Omit the Delta/United plus whatever, and see what actually is a by product of the Association.

 

[Worldport]

It was hammered into our heads that the reason the Ass was formed was CLOUT CLOUT CLOUT. Well, we should see soon enough. The T/A will definitely be a defining moment. Omit the Delta/United plus whatever, and see what actually is a by product of the Association.

Omit passenger service whatever too.