July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

Typical eastholio - living in the past.

Always an insult waiting to happen. Don't you ever tire of that?

Driver...

 

[cleardirect]

Did it take you all night to come up with that response? Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

I'm not sure where you got those numbers. I show 3394 east pilots and 1731 west pilots on the seniority lists on the USAPA website. Those show pilots that are out SIC,LOA, SPV etc. which I believe the east would have a much higher percentage. We do not have more line pilots than we did in 2005. Bid announcement 05-03 shows the bid positions for June 2005 at 2782. Bid announcement 12-04 shows 2709 positions for Sep 2012 growing to 2759 for Nov 2012 as we staff the 190 for the additional 5 we are getting back. Nov has 225 E190 lower paying positions that have replaced A/C from 2005.

I told you why we are carrying more people now per A/C. How many pilots would we have if we had not lost more A/C than the west?

I know you and some west guys love living in victim mode. You are less victims than those that just didn't get to use the Nicolau award as an even softer landing for the current airline environment.

West has 120 aircraft. East has 202 plus 15 190. Do the math.
How many more west pilots would we have if we had not lost aircraft? How many aircraft would you have had Jan. 2006?

You guys scream about attrition and how fast you will move up. Those numbers are total. But now you want to talk about bid positions. Pick a number and stick with it. According to your own numbers you have 2759 actual positions that will lead to attrition with 3480 pilots on your list. Meaning that 21% of your attrition has no value because it opens no position. You have 150 scheduled to retire next year but in reality only 119 open spots. A far cry from the 250 so many of you are yelling about.

You can play the victim that you were understaffed in 2005 and should have had so many more pilots to start with. You guys were going out of business and running at the min. So don’t give me the excuse that BK numbers should be the same as profitable number of pilots. Using your oh poor me logic the west was not in BK and is not in BK today but we have less biddable positions today then we did at the merger. According to you we should at least have what we had. Is it not you that says you keep what you brought and we keep what we brought? We brought 144 aircraft and almost 1900 pilots. You brought 1700 furloughs and your staffing numbers. How about we go back to what you and I both brought?

 

[cleardirect]

Coming from the second lowest paid in the industry and the original scab outfit (Ansett) In the bar at CLT I over heard west boys saying they can't wait to get their hands on and AA 777, wow talk about entitlement!!!

Sure. You just happen to be in a bar and happen to overhear this conversation. Your credibility is questionable.

Actually speaking to west pilots the subject of WB hardly ever comes up and when it does very few are interested. So I find highly suspect that west crews would even be talking about WB let alone can't wait to get our hands on them. The only thing I have ever heard a west crew say about an AA WB is there will probably be a 5-7 fence around their WB equipment. Which is fine. Fences and relative seniority. you guys should have asked for something like that instead of demanding it all.

Now on the other hand it was the east pilots that were asking UAL pilots during that near miss merger where they could get 777 manuals. You guys are the ones with that history not the west. Are you sure it was not an east crew that you overheard.

Now take your weak ass story and go away.

 

[nevergiveup]

Typical eastholio - living in the past.

r r r r r

 

[nic4us]

The CFM does not tear itself apart at certain speeds like the IAE.

Taste great...Less filling....

All I really know is if Rolls Royce has their hand in it....."it" is usually a pretty good product.

What is with that if the CFM is leaking fuel out the bottom..just go ahead and run it anyway and see if it stops and hope you dont start a fire thing?

 

[nic4us]

God....will you please stop like a whining little baby. You are pathetic. The way things are the way they are is because your little snap shot in meaningless. We parked a #### load of airplanes due to 911 and parked a bunch more just to get this merger done. But WE KNEW someday it would be over (the downsizing and getting more for less on the East). That day is here. We need to hire because we haven't hired any significant numbers for 20 years. If you don't remember anything remember this. It's not a new company us. You are owed nothing from us. You are down to one base and do 24% of our flying. Use your laser intellect and tell us how powerful you are. Management decides were flying goes. Pure and simple. USAPA has ZERO influence on where flying goes.........Oh lets see....do we add flights to Europe from PHL or PHX....please stop being an insufferable idiot about stealing jobs. YOUR CAREER EXPECTATION CHANGED ON THE DAY OF THE MERGER AS WELL. We are still under sep ops. I would love yto stay that was for a few more years just to illustrate how bad NIC screwed the pooch!!! Even if we do a deal with AMR we will have 300-400 upgrades before the dust settles ....you will have 50. But most of all

PLEASE STOP CRYING LIKE A LITTLE BABY OVER IT.

NICDOA
NPJB

OMG.....so the one important thing I am to remember from that post is....

If you don't remember anything remember this. It's not a new company us. You are owed nothing from us

Got it!!

Now here is something for Barrister to remember......nobody on the West gives a damn how or why you decided to stick your head up your arse...we just want you to pull it out of there so we can all get a raise.

Well, that and I must remind you that the Nic is the only sytem seniority list at LCC in case of combined ops or a future merger....and usapa is a scab union.

 

[traderjake]

What is with that if the CFM is leaking fuel out the bottom..just go ahead and run it anyway and see if it stops and hope you dont start a fire thing?

What is it about the IAE 321s that the cockpit and cabin smell like jet fuel everytime you shut down the engines?

 

[luvn737s]

United Continental's chief executive, said in a memo to his pilots in May that the Delta pilot agreement "raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay." He pledged that the company would be responsive to the Delta terms "and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive."

USAPA would prefer to trade pay improvements for vindictiveness against their fellow union members. "It's the cost of getting even and showing them who's boss". When asked to cite examples where this "salt the earth" strategy has paid off, Usapa simply yelled, "what, are you a westy?"

 

[767jetz]

Now on the other hand it was the east pilots that were asking UAL pilots during that near miss merger where they could get 777 manuals. You guys are the ones with that history not the west. Are you sure it was not an east crew that you overheard.

Now take your weak ass story and go away.

Correction... they were asking for our 747-400 manuals. LOL!

I had one junior Guppy captain assure me personally, that he was "only" going to take a 767 spot in LA. These guys have a long history of entitlement.

 

[767jetz]

USAPA would prefer to trade pay improvements for vindictiveness against their fellow union members. "It's the cost of getting even and showing them who's boss". When asked to cite examples where this "salt the earth" strategy has paid off, Usapa simply yelled, "what, are you a westy?"

It will be interesting when details come out about our AIP. Pay rates should be slightly north of Delta's, meaning more legacy airline f/o's earning more than east captains. Sure is a nutty group the westies got hitched to.

What's even funnier is they way luvthe9 has been trying in vein to take pot shots at me and his nemisis, big bad United airlines, constantly posting out of date snippets from communications long since past. Yet when something newsworthy, current, and specifically relevant to USAirways current situation (merger, seniority, JCBA, etc.) comes around, he is peculiarly silent. Maybe he's hoping no one will notice, or simply forget how wrong he always is.

Like I said, sure is a nutty group on this forum. I hope they are not representative of the mainstream.

 

[EastCheats]

Sure. You just happen to be in a bar and happen to overhear this conversation. Your credibility is questionable.

Actually speaking to west pilots the subject of WB hardly ever comes up and when it does very few are interested. So I find highly suspect that west crews would even be talking about WB let alone can't wait to get our hands on them. The only thing I have ever heard a west crew say about an AA WB is there will probably be a 5-7 fence around their WB equipment. Which is fine. Fences and relative seniority. you guys should have asked for something like that instead of demanding it all.

Now on the other hand it was the east pilots that were asking UAL pilots during that near miss merger where they could get 777 manuals. You guys are the ones with that history not the west. Are you sure it was not an east crew that you overheard.

Now take your weak ass story and go away.

I've never heard such a story and this conversation does not come up. I have no desire to do that type of flying again. Sitting for hours and hours looking out the window at an endless ocean only to have to reset the bodyclock after each trip. No thanks.

We were training at the United facility in Denver after retiring our last 737 simulator. It was around the time all the talk of a US/Untied merge prior to their merge with Cont Airlines. I remember a comment from a United crew about "they are here for our 747 manuals". I smiled and turned to them and said you must have me confused with a US Air pilot, while I displayed my Cactus Pilot badge backer.

That's the reason I have my Cactus ring and bling, so people don't confuse me with being a US Air pilot or have anything to do with what happened at that company prior to 2005.

 

[cleardirect]

I've never heard such a story and this conversation does not come up. I have no desire to do that type of flying again. Sitting for hours and hours looking out the window at an endless ocean only to have to reset the bodyclock after each trip. No thanks.

We were training at the United facility in Denver after retiring our last 737 simulator. It was around the time all the talk of a US/Untied merge prior to their merge with Cont Airlines. I remember a comment from a United crew about "they are here for out 747 manuals". I smiled and turned to them and said you must have me confused with a US Air pilot, while I displayed my Cactus Pilot badge backer.

That's the reason I have my Cactus ring and bling, so people don't confuse me with being a US Air pilot or have anything to do with what happened at that company prior to 2005.

Yes sir.

I don't ever want to be mistaken for an east pilot. Their reputation has proceeded them for years.

 

[Pi brat]

Yes sir.

I don't ever want to be mistaken for an east pilot. Their reputation has proceeded them for years.

Good. We wouldn't anyone to think we would hire something like you. Especially if you open your mouth.

 

[Pi brat]

Correction... they were asking for our 747-400 manuals. LOL!

I had one junior Guppy captain assure me personally, that he was "only" going to take a 767 spot in LA. These guys have a long history of entitlement.

And I had a UA guy tell me that I couldn't hired by UA. It went both ways. Congrats on the TA, or whatever it is. I hope it is a good one.

 

[cleardirect]

Good. We wouldn't anyone to think we would hire something like you. Especially if you open your mouth.

We? You are now in charge of hiring too?

After dealing with east pilots for so long I cringe to think who was doing your hiring for the years. Was it a requirement to be a lying, cheating integrity challenged theft to get hired or did it just evolve?

Do you know who is doing the interviewing and hiring now? One guess and it ain't east people.