July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[767one]

Glad to see that you're such professionals on the intl. division.

Me too. All the way. I have never seen anything but professional topnotch performance!

 

[nic4us]

Yes, you would have just as most of us here got over it 24 years ago. You had the misfortune of merging with an airline where 95% are DOH.....then 24 years later NICchanges the rules.....DON'T THINK SO!!!!

Take your snapshot now!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

By all means...take the snapshot now....

LCC is profitable....the Nic is the only system seniority list at LCC....and usapa is nothing more than a bunch of scabs.


That snapshot does not bode so well for the scab union that is in debt to 1/3rd of its membership.

 

[nic4us]

So, Ames, if Judge Silver rules in favor of USAPA will you accept that and move on or will you support AOLeeche's efforts to, yet again sneak out the back door with an ill gotten lottery ticket?

Flame bait. Not a serious question. <<---- example of integrity, because it matters

The only "ill gotten lottery ticket" awarded around LCC is the fact that the scabs at usapa have stolen some 350 West jobs and the advancement of the entire West pilot group.


Now...back on topic.....

Silver is not going to make some eye-opening ruling...she is going to reiterate what the 9th said...usapa has a DFR to ALL the pilots it represents.....

LCC has a responsibility to negotiate with the elected CBA.....the elected CBA is tied to the Nic because it is between the pilots it represents...not between the pilots and the CBA...not between the CBA and the company.

The Nic is between me and 767one...and fodase and MM etc.....done deal...final and binding arbitration. It ain't going nowhere, not because of anything Silver might say but because of what I might say.

 

[A320 Driver]

C'mon, man. Do you think I live on this board? Lighten up.

You mean you aren't sitting at home waiting for the next sentence I write??

Now I'm hurt...

🙂

Driver...

 

[A320 Driver]

Yes, you would have just as most of us here got over it 24 years ago. You had the misfortune of merging with an airline where 95% are DOH.....then 24 years later NICchanges the rules.....DON'T THINK SO!!!!

So we aren't counting Shuttle anymore? I'm just saying.

Driver...

 

[Graceson]

DOH was never an ask. It was an unwavering demand right up until the time Mr. Nicolau told the east merger committee to go one last time to negotiate with the west and they stated that they were comfortable with their position.

Nic didn't get anything wrong.

Seroiously. DOH was ask.

The rest was posturing and chest-pounding for the benefit of a tired, frustrated, and demoralized group who'd sacrificed everything. You know the saying...a most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose. The psychology of the ask was to defuse a volital socio-political situation.

After career, family and economic devistation, there would have been political bloodshed if a memember had resigned that last thread of perceived control of his life. No one would dare risk personal or political suicide to try and seperate the emotional from the logic.

The arbitration was a safety valve, an out. The only venue where the baby could be equally split with everyone equally harmed. It's the only irresitable force available to move an immovable object.

No party belived he would get the ask. That's the way it works. It's naive to believe differently. Arbitration is an appeasement to assuage ego. It's a forum of reason where evereone is necessarily harmed. It's a forum where leaders are spared political suicide. It's where the arbitrator becomes the demon when the baby is split.

 

[traderjake]

So we aren't counting Shuttle anymore? I'm just saying.

Driver...

So we aren't counting Shuttle anymore? I'm just saying.

Or Delta Northwest and Frontier Republic....

 

[traderjake]

Seroiously. DOH was ask.....
The arbitration was a safety valve, an out. The only venue where the baby could be equally split with everyone equally harmed. It's the only irresitable force available to move an immovable object......
It's where the arbitrator becomes the demon when the baby is split.

It was an arbitration, not a negotiation.

The baby doesn't get split in an arbitration, the arbitrator does what he thinks is fair.

Nice try though of diverting blame away from the East for an award you don't like.

 

[Claxon]

Congrats, you are still king idiot on this forum.

Cash isn't and never has been an issue. Doug has plenty of coin to get this done.

Now wipe the drool off you face.

Says the supposed APA inside worker. What a joke. The APA wants nothing to do with Franke and his henchmen. wants nothing to do with AWA collaborators. Nor their former management losers who ruined a respectable industry.

 

[luvthe9]

AMR Pilot Leader Who Backed US Airways Merger Quits After Vote

The American Airlines pilot union leader who was one of the first and most visible proponents of a merger with US Airways Group Inc. (LCC) resigned, a day after pilots rejected the AMR Corp. (AAMRQ) unit&rsquo;s final cost-cutting contract offer.
David Bates notified members of the Allied Pilots Association of his decision in a message today on the union&rsquo;s website. He said he resigned, effective immediately, at the request of the union board.
&ldquo;Although I believe that ratifying the tentative agreement would have been the best course for our pilot group, the majority of our pilots signaled their preference for taking a different path,&rdquo; Bates said. &ldquo;I concluded that continuing to serve as your president was not in the interests of the pilots I have been charged with representing.&rdquo;
Bates joined Laura Glading, head of the flight attendants union at Fort Worth, Texas-based American, and Transport Workers Union International President Jim Little in April to publicly support a merger bid by US Airways. He was at the US Airways annual shareholder meeting and attended a National Press Club speech in Washington last month by Doug Parker, the Tempe, Arizona-based carrier&rsquo;s chief executive officer.
Pilots rejected the proposed contract, with 61 percent voting against it. The offer would have eliminated plans for 400 furloughs and given the group a 13.5 percent stake in AMR after it exited bankruptcy. The pilots now face a possible court ruling that would let American toss their existing contract and impose terms to secure spending cutbacks needed to restructure.
American declined to comment on Bates&rsquo;s resignation, said Bruce Hicks, a spokesman for the airline.
To contact the reporter on this story: Mary Schlangenstein in Dallas at maryc.s@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Ed Dufner at edufner@bloomberg.net

 

[nic4us]

Seroiously. DOH was ask.

The rest was posturing and chest-pounding for the benefit of a tired, frustrated, and demoralized group who'd sacrificed everything. You know the saying...a most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose. The psychology of the ask was to defuse a volital socio-political situation.

After career, family and economic devistation, there would have been political bloodshed if a memember had resigned that last thread of perceived control of his life. No one would dare risk personal or political suicide to try and seperate the emotional from the logic.

The arbitration was a safety valve, an out. The only venue where the baby could be equally split with everyone equally harmed. It's the only irresitable force available to move an immovable object.

No party belived he would get the ask. That's the way it works. It's naive to believe differently. Arbitration is an appeasement to assuage ego. It's a forum of reason where evereone is necessarily harmed. It's a forum where leaders are spared political suicide. It's where the arbitrator becomes the demon when the baby is split.

Absolutely totally wrong.

The point of arbitration is to avoid splitting the baby and find an equitable, just, or fair outcome.

No one needs to be harmed, and in our case the east is just plain full of shiit regarding harm.

 

[nic4us]

AMR Pilot Leader Who Backed US Airways Merger Quits After Vote

The American Airlines pilot union leader who was one of the first and most visible proponents of a merger with US Airways Group Inc. (LCC) resigned, a day after pilots rejected the AMR Corp. (AAMRQ) unit&rsquo;s final cost-cutting contract offer.
David Bates notified members of the Allied Pilots Association of his decision in a message today on the union&rsquo;s website. He said he resigned, effective immediately, at the request of the union board.
&ldquo;Although I believe that ratifying the tentative agreement would have been the best course for our pilot group, the majority of our pilots signaled their preference for taking a different path,&rdquo; Bates said. &ldquo;I concluded that continuing to serve as your president was not in the interests of the pilots I have been charged with representing.&rdquo;
Bates joined Laura Glading, head of the flight attendants union at Fort Worth, Texas-based American, and Transport Workers Union International President Jim Little in April to publicly support a merger bid by US Airways. He was at the US Airways annual shareholder meeting and attended a National Press Club speech in Washington last month by Doug Parker, the Tempe, Arizona-based carrier&rsquo;s chief executive officer.
Pilots rejected the proposed contract, with 61 percent voting against it. The offer would have eliminated plans for 400 furloughs and given the group a 13.5 percent stake in AMR after it exited bankruptcy. The pilots now face a possible court ruling that would let American toss their existing contract and impose terms to secure spending cutbacks needed to restructure.
American declined to comment on Bates&rsquo;s resignation, said Bruce Hicks, a spokesman for the airline.
To contact the reporter on this story: Mary Schlangenstein in Dallas at maryc.s@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Ed Dufner at edufner@bloomberg.net

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krD4hdGvGHM

 

[Beancounter]

My response is:

http://youtu.be/SQyUKnCf0YY

Bean

 

[luvthe9]

Well we now know we are at one large sticking point, SCOPE. It appears the company want us to be the next American Eagle. We are not going to give that up!!!!!!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Well we now know we are at one large sticking point, SCOPE. It appears the company want us to be the next American Eagle. We are not going to give that up!!!!!!

Where is the MOU GARY promised?, and besides where is our 3% grievance at? Wasn't DAVE C suppose to call KASHER? Gary should do us the same favor BATES did his group!