July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mrbreeze]

A cynic might conclude that the decisions in powerful places are often not really governed by the motivations they outwardly present, but are in effect based on shifting sands, uncertain and unknowable to the uninitiated.

Exactly why APA will take a hard look at DOH with C&Rs.

breeze

 

[cactusboy53]

Who arbitrated J.C.'s death sentence? Was it final? Binding?

Can we conclude that an arbitrator may be falable and thus his decision...less than Godly!

I believe it was Pontius Pilate, though giving the crowd the ability to release Jesus or Barabbas (an actual criminal). We all know that that Christ's sentence was both final and binding (to our shame), but for our sakes.

Arbitrators are human and thus fallible. Your opinion of Arbitrator Nicolau's seniority list is exactly that - your opinion.

Nevergiveup's attempt to somehow make USAPA's cause a holy one is full of folly. USAPA is in existence for the very act of evading a final and binding seniority arbitration. USAPA has unsuccessfully persecuted and prosecuted the West pilot group in this unholy battle.

The only achievement that has been gained is delay. That at tremendous financial cost to us all. Parker & LCC have gained EVERYTHING by USAPA's actions.

 

[jetjok1]

I know Driver can take up for himself, but the reason he posted what he did was because the previous poster incorrectly said that things had been screwed up for 30 years. That is incorrect. 30 years ago things were clicking right along, at least at US Air and Piedmont. Posters stop saying stupid things they know nothing about, no reason to go back to the glory years. Take on the guy pulling stuff out of his rear and tell him to learn his history if he is going to talk about it.

They're too frigging young to even know that

 

[Move2CLT]

Exactly why APA will take a hard look at DOH with C&Rs.

breeze

BS they will breeze and that I can tell you first hand.

 

[Move2CLT]

GO THERE!

Wow, the idiot is replying to his own posts.

 

[767one]

Where were these people when Delta-Northwest happened? How about United Continental? I remember DOJ and Congress lining up against us when we tried to merge with United the first time. One idiot asking Steven Wolfe, "you mean, if we don't approve this, you'll go bankrupt?". Well, we did and the rest is history. Were I live I have one choice of telephone service, one choice of internet service and one choice of electrical service. Why is that OK but if we are down to 5 or 6 healthy carriers, it isn't enough?

Food for thought...
I agree. Also how will competition be enhanced if American and US are denied a merger and both go away? We are also getting close to having few choices for banking...sooner or later there will only be a couple of banks.
Driver...

 

[767one]

Would you prefer catfish? I heard that one on the Phoenix ramp a while back. It gave me a chuckle knowing that flight was bound for Charlotte and they already were thinking about dinner.

Should have negotiated crew meals. You would not have to fly hungry or survive off of Bojangles.





Link to the CNBC American/US Airways merger story:

http://video.cnbc.co...ideo|&par=yahoo

No problem with crew meals on the intl. division. That being said when I flew domestic nobody in the crew went hungry. If we were behind sched and hungry we took a lunch break! The agents were not happy but I never got a call from the CP.

As for the call sign my favorites were catguts or catsazz but I have gotten over that.

 

[Graceson]

Christ's sentence was both final and binding (to our shame), but for our sakes.

Arbitrators are human

Not the way i heard it. A higher court excepted the final and binding part, then there was something about a resurection. But who knows, maybe the arbitrators decree was upheld... He's dead.

 

[A320 Driver]

Not the way i heard it. A higher court excepted the final and binding part, then there was something about a resurection. But who knows, maybe the arbitrators decree was upheld... He's dead.

What's done is done. Nobody on this board is going to browbeat anyone else into making this all go away. Save your breath.

Someone send a message over to Judge Silver to let her know we are STILL WAITING!!!

Driver...

 

[EastCheats]

What's done is done. Nobody on this board is going to browbeat anyone else into making this all go away. Save your breath.

Someone send a message over to Judge Silver to let her know we are STILL WAITING!!!

Driver...

I hope we don't have to wait this long..

Slow civil process unfair to business

Wichita Business Journal

Date: Sunday, June 22, 1997, 11:00pm CDT


Sometime in the next two weeks, U.S. District Court Judge Sam Crow is expected to issue a key ruling in the now 12-year-old litigation entitled "William I. Koch versus Koch Industries." As reported by Roz Hutchinson last week, the ruling involves a 3-year-old petition from Koch Industries for summary judgment that, if granted, could halt Bill Koch's latest series of claims against Charles Koch and his twin brother David.

However, if Judge Crow rules against any piece of the litigation, the latest Koch vs. Koch lawsuit likely would be set for trial sometime next year -- more than 13 years since the lawsuit was first filed.No matter what opinions have been formed on the case, it should be troubling that this litigation has been ongoing for 12 years without a substantial ruling on the facts.

How can this happen? Is one side in the dispute abusing the legal system? Is the federal system that overloaded? Consider what has happened since Bill Koch filed this latest lawsuit against his brothers. In 1985, John Carlin was governor of Kansas, Ronald Reagan was president, Oliver North was an obscure Marine toiling in a windowless basement office in the Old Executive Office Building, the Kansas City Royals were playing championship baseball and the class of 1997 was entering first grade.It is incomprehensible that any lawsuit could be so complicated as to take half a generation to get its first significant ruling on the facts of the case.

For years, businesses have complained that the nation is in need of major tort reform. Koch vs. Koch should only add fuel to that argument. Even our court system should have time limits on cases.

 

[Ames]

No problem with crew meals on the intl. division.

As for the call sign my favorites were catguts or catsazz but I have gotten over that.

Glad to see that you're such professionals on the intl. division.

 

[Ames]

Not the way i heard it. A higher court excepted the final and binding part, then there was something about a resurection. But who knows, maybe the arbitrators decree was upheld... He's dead.

I will gladly accept DOH when God appears before me and tells me to. Until then, I am fighting you and I fight to win.

 

[Ames]

What's done is done. Nobody on this board is going to browbeat anyone else into making this all go away. Save your breath.

Someone send a message over to Judge Silver to let her know we are STILL WAITING!!!

Driver...

So, Driver, if Judge Silver rules in favor of Leonidas will you accept that and move on or will you support ucrapa's efforts to, yet again, squirm out of final and binding arbitration?

Serious question. Not flame bait.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I hope we don't have to wait this long..

Slow civil process unfair to business

Wichita Business Journal

Date: Sunday, June 22, 1997, 11:00pm CDT


Sometime in the next two weeks, U.S. District Court Judge Sam Crow is expected to issue a key ruling in the now 12-year-old litigation entitled "William I. Koch versus Koch Industries." As reported by Roz Hutchinson last week, the ruling involves a 3-year-old petition from Koch Industries for summary judgment that, if granted, could halt Bill Koch's latest series of claims against Charles Koch and his twin brother David.

However, if Judge Crow rules against any piece of the litigation, the latest Koch vs. Koch lawsuit likely would be set for trial sometime next year -- more than 13 years since the lawsuit was first filed.No matter what opinions have been formed on the case, it should be troubling that this litigation has been ongoing for 12 years without a substantial ruling on the facts.

How can this happen? Is one side in the dispute abusing the legal system? Is the federal system that overloaded? Consider what has happened since Bill Koch filed this latest lawsuit against his brothers. In 1985, John Carlin was governor of Kansas, Ronald Reagan was president, Oliver North was an obscure Marine toiling in a windowless basement office in the Old Executive Office Building, the Kansas City Royals were playing championship baseball and the class of 1997 was entering first grade.It is incomprehensible that any lawsuit could be so complicated as to take half a generation to get its first significant ruling on the facts of the case.

For years, businesses have complained that the nation is in need of major tort reform. Koch vs. Koch should only add fuel to that argument. Even our court system should have time limits on cases.

For ostensibly being the best system in the world, our system sure does suck sometimes. 'Is one side of the dispute abusing the legal system?' Um, is the Pope Catholic? Problem is the legal system all to often invites that. Just look at the RICO suit. If you really want to go after someone all you need is a pile of money and a sleeazy lawyer.

 

[EastCheats]

For ostensibly being the best system in the world, our system sure does suck sometimes. 'Is one side of the dispute abusing the legal system?' Um, is the Pope Catholic? Problem is the legal system all to often invites that. Just look at the RICO suit. If you really want to go after someone all you need is a pile of money and a sleeazy lawyer.

I wish I could give you 10 points for that observation.