July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[eastcoast]

ALPA didn't cram down the Age 65 change.

I didn't mean to say ALPA was solely responsible or crammed it on anyone. They did shift their policy to support it so that they could perhaps influence the outcome that they saw as inevitable. ALPA uses plenty of lobbying capital to further their cause. I just don't think that getting behind the effort was best for us. Perhaps opposing would have been better.

 

[eastcoast]

No backpedaling at all, there are still some senior guys like myself that support the junior ones, and some that could care less about them, however I believe most of them will sell out the junior guys for a little raise. Hope that clears it up for you.

First you say SOME "don't support the junior kids." (which is what I responded to.)

Then you say MOST "will sell out the junior guys." (which I agree with, only that it is not a sell out. It is moving us forward away from the junior guys holding us all hostage.)

So which is it? Some or most?

As for your contradicting statements, once again you are showing your true colors. Pick a story and stick with it.

 

[Zone5]

No problem. If you are an F/O you stay as an F/O.

Where you guys have overreached is that all you F/O's want to be captains ahead of west pilots.

No problem! If I stay to 65 I still have 1400 East pilots senior to me, I am looking at 30 years as an F/O, some career. That buys me a "senior" 76 F/O job, instead of the "junior" one I have now. With the NIC and no protection, I have to give up my East "crap job" for your even "crappier" West job, no thanks!

Who said anything about being able to take a West Captains job? You do know how a "fence" would work don't you? Stay in the base you are in and you can have all the West upgrades you want. No problem.


seajay

 

[Zone5]

It was Piedmont Captains that lost their jobs to USAir F/Os.

Name one. Outside of some F-28 Captains who bid for higher paying wide-body F/O jobs.


seajay

 

[EastCheats]

Probably Leonidas.

No press releases from EF, yet.

You really are to stupid to be an effective Cleary supporter and east pilot. You have to be very junior. Your emotions are clouding your thinking.

Did you miss the part about being an east crew having the bag tag?

So now east pilots are agreeing with leonidas?

He may have missed that part.

 

[traderjake]

Name one. Outside of some F-28 Captains who bid for higher paying wide-body F/O jobs

My father lost his 737 Captain position to a F/O who could not hold Captain at USAir.

You USAir guys as a group are a bunch of morons completely out of touch with reality.

Apologies to the USAir pilots I've met who are the exceptions.

 

[Zone5]

My father lost his 737 Captain position to a F/O who could not hold Captain at USAir.

You USAir guys as a group are a bunch of morons completely out of touch with reality.

Really! Please explain, specifically, how that happened.


seajay

 

[luvthe9]

My father lost his 737 Captain position to a F/O who could not hold Captain at USAir.

You USAir guys as a group are a bunch of morons completely out of touch with reality.

You should just quit then "Traitor"!!!

 

[cleardirect]

No problem! If I stay to 65 I still have 1400 East pilots senior to me, I am looking at 30 years as an F/O, some career. That buys me a "senior" 76 F/O job, instead of the "junior" one I have now. With the NIC and no protection, I have to give up my East "crap job" for your even "crappier" West job, no thanks!

Who said anything about being able to take a West Captains job? You do know how a "fence" would work don't you? Stay in the base you are in and you can have all the West upgrades you want. No problem.


seajay

So if you are in PHL that is you base for the rest of your career? Fencing one base or another.

 

[luvthe9]

So you're happy to be fenced into whatever position you held in May 2005? That's effectively what Nic did - you can't be displaced by a west pilot who held a lower position in 2005.

Another Nic convert...

Jim

Boeing boy was part of a group of Piedmont pilots that stapled empire pilots on the bottom of the seniority list. He was working for alpa back then. He is a hypocrite. https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=36557

 

[luvn737s]

Great! Should be no problem agreeing to a fence around any East pilot who want's to stay where they are, right? Which by the way, is exactly how it went down in the Piedmont merger, as long as I stayed where I was, no former Piedmont pilot could displace me. It worked then and would work now. Do you see a problem with that?

Then again back in the day, there was a separate bid position as a block holder, which enabled me to hold a block as long as I stayed in the base and equipment where I was at the merger. You good with that? If so (mister "I don't want your job") so am I.


seajay

Gee, why not jump in Mr. Whoopee's Wayback Machine and tell the east Neg Comm to present that to Nicolau.

Regrets, regrets.

 

[luvthe9]

So if you are in PHL that is you base for the rest of your career? Fencing one base or another.

Works for me just need it to be around for another 4 yrs or so, and I think it will be.

 

[luvthe9]

P.S. I appreciate your avatar. We've got to make sure everyone knows what an eastie that takes up-skirt shots of under-aged girls looks like.

Kind of like the drunks that fly planes 😛 and the would be baseball players that fly to beat up thier lovers husband and your scabs on top of that, great outfit AWA. See you for chicken on the 17th in CLT!

 

[traderjake]

Really! Please explain, specifically, how that happened.

You're an idiot, you have no idea what's happening or has happened in the world around you.

USAir cut back number of blocks causing Piedmont Captains to lose their positions.

A few months later USAir reversed and increased the flying and those positions we filled by USAir F/Os.

 

[traderjake]

You should just quit then "Traitor"!!!

If I left your life would have no purpose.