July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

1776?

Yeah, whatever....

You sign a binding arbitration, you live by it.

1776. Revolution. Deal with it. You got it today. Your Nicolau had a revolution. There is nothing you can do. Hop in your boat and get out of Dodge.

 

[Claxon]

Almost right. I've constantly believed that relative position by equipment is the best starting point, with minimal C&R's to cover special situations. Someone who has the seniority be to a mid-level A320 captain the day before the merger should have the seniority to be a mid-level A320 captain on the combined list. None of this "a furloughed pilot on one side should be senior to a 757 captain on the other side" because he somehow "earned" it.

Jim....

Unless it was Empire, and then when the F28 left, they went on the bottom. Hypocrite.

 

[Claxon]

The airline was called America West.

And, they saved your junkpile of an airline from liquidation.

That airline was a drag on the industry for years. Internationally. It was the first to get money in 2001. Tell us another lie. The CEO cannot merge to save his life. Again.

 

[Pi brat]

My point would be that your reply to trader...

Too early to come that conclusion but the majority sure has been able to drag it out, haven't they?

Is flippant when we all know the answere to trader's remark, and it is not too early to tell.

Traders remark was a waste of time. I know how I think it will turn out, but nobody knows. How many definitive statements have we seen on here that have neen wrong? Who saw the AA thing the day USAPA was elected? We have collectively chose our paths years ago and since it is obvious that nobody wants off their path we will have to see where they lead.

 

[cleardirect]

Politicians don't, CEOs don't, married couples don't (ever been divorced?), government agencies don't...

The list goes on.

Driver...

Are you really trying to make the argument that CEOs and politicians are really good people? Maybe you are actually putting east pilots in the same category as politicians and CEOs.

Or are your trying to make the point that because everyone does it the west should have expected the east to be bad people and not have the honor to abide by your agreements.

 

[Pi brat]

You've convinced yourself of that so nothing I say will change your mind, and the same could be said of you.

I usually don't answer your questions since you have a habit of just using the answer an a springboard for insults.

You should know as well as anyone why the FA's don't have a joint contract yet, but as usual you've convinced yourself that what you see as a reason supporting your point of view is the only possible reason. In your 20+ years with US since the US/PI merger, when have the FA's ever reached a new contract before the pilots? Even in concessions, the FA's didn't settle before the pilots - that should give you a hint. Yet it looks like this time will break the pattern. The FA's have reached one TA and it looks like they may have another soon. How many TA's have the pilots had since the merger???

Jim

That's one thing you got right, nothing you will say will change my mind because you have proven yourself.

You answer me plenty when you can get a jab in or you think Im wrong. When you don't answer, I figure I'm right.

The F/As gave up being tied to the pilots a long time ago.

 

[nevergiveup]

The airline was called America West.

And, they saved your junkpile of an airline from liquidation.

I'm sure the decision to merge was for business reasons. The airline is now US Airways, but not for long.

 

[EastUS1]

1776?

Yeah, whatever....

Wow! Even the Declaration of Independance amounts to only "Yeah, whatever..." in your tiny "mind"? Yet you fantasize yourself as somehow "competent" to even attempt so much as chat board drivel regarding notions of "honor" or "agreements"!!??? Sigh! "Village Idiot" is previously established and noted....and both your umm.."intellectual" and spiritual qualifications to have indeed been some insignificant imp within what laughably passed for "management" in AWA are clear for all to see. Otherwise?....Words just fail me here.....Just plain unbelieveable.....

 

[EastUS1]

The airline was called America West.

And, they saved your junkpile of an airline from liquidation.

You've such obvious, great love for good old AWA...One must wonder why it is that your sorry ass no longer works there...? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Is that the method you want to use in the next merger? As long as the majority is happy?

In the TWA merger the majority of AA pilots were happy. Good enough?

1) Nope. My notions would be as they always were, that DOH/LOS should be the determining factors for seniority integration. That won't change.

2) That's just another case of greed-soaked, petty little opportunists like yourself eschewing all moral notions of what's right versus wrong, and the TWA folks being unfairly used as a result.

 

[traderjake]

Traders remark was a waste of time.

Only because of the chartacter of the majority of the East.

The remark made a valid point.

 

[Fully Cross Utilized]

....Words just fail me here.....

oh stop teasing us! please!

 

[EastUS1]

1776?

Yeah, whatever....

You sign a binding arbitration, you live by it.

I just can't get over "Yeah, whatever" being used in that context. So...were you alive then, your deepest "thoughts" would have extended only to "Yeah, whatever", and, with your "you live by it"... one must assume you logically, would have necessarily stood as a loyal subject of the Crown...? 😉

No matter I suppose, but let me get this straight here. The Declaration and the American Revolution amount only to "Yeah, whatever"....but....whimsical arbitration is truly a big deal?...Nay..a glorious, sanctified, sacred and unquestionable issue? Umm...OK then.... 😉

I now see that "Village Idiot" was overly generous here, and amounted only to an extremely unfair affront to actual village idiots everywhere....

 

[Claxon]

1776?

Yeah, whatever....

You sign a binding arbitration, you live by it.

It was merely a seniority proposal, and it fell out the bounds of fairness. You gave a group of pilots with almost two decades of service nothing, and say that is right. You tolerated them going behind new hires. That was an unethical agreement. Instead of doing the right thing and altering it, you did nothing. Kind of like the Stamp Act, Proclamation of 1763, Townshend Act, Intolerable Acts. All added up to REVOLUTION. You failed to alter the NICOLAU ACT, and you got a war. A war you lost. Even your council at WYE told you to do something. Now you lost the war. There is nothing any western group can do about it now.Now get in your boat, and head back west.

 

[Claxon]

1776?

Yeah, whatever....

You sign a binding arbitration, you live by it.

More BS from BS. Cranky today? Has Kirby taken any international flights lately? We have spotted him at our terminal also.