July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

I'm not even sure what the issue was, but my point was that both ATSB loans were paid off in conjunction with the merger process, not before. I don't know what money went where, but AWA did not pay off their loan with their cash on hand, or just their refinancing before the merger right? Wasn't that one of the points of the "cash crunch" that was pending, mentioned in the Nic award?

As I said before, the only reason it even came up was that an eastie used AWA's status as the first to apply for and get an ATSB-backed loan as an attack on the westies. It's certainly not very important today other than the money is still owed - in fact, each time the original loan was refinanced more was borrowed than was due on the previous loan.

But the part of the article you quoted is a quick broad-brush description, possibly by someone who didn't know the nitty-gritty details. Look at the first words - after the merger, not during the process of the merger. A merger is like a switch - there are two positions. One day there are two companies and the next there is only one. There is a series of events/actions that happen both before and after a merger, but I think you probably mean during "integration" rather than "merger". Integrating two companies, aside from employees, is a somewhat lengthy process when there are as many alphabet agencies involved as there are with airlines. As I recall, it was sometime in 2006 that the ATSB-backed loan was paid off with the proceeds of a new loan - after the merger but definitely during integration.

On the "cash crunch" that Parker talked about, I never heard him go into details. If the AWA ATSB-backed loan was similar to that of US, it shouldn't by itself have caused a cash crunch in the winter of 2005/2006 since it was almost completely an interest payment only with principal mostly due to be repaid at the end of the term of the loan.

Jim

 

[traderjake]

but my original reply was to the comment from Trader Jake that the results were ALL our fault.

It is our fault we didn't get a better award, whether or not it's 100% our fault is splitting hairs.

Any sane person who read the ALPA merger goals knew we weren't getting DOH, the Merger Committee knew it.

How is it Nicolau's fault for not giving us something we never asked for, such as credit for our attrtion or the method used in the National-Pan Am merger?

Nicolau even told us to ask for something else.

 

[Phoenix]

Because I find this case fascinating. I've had discussions about it with some of the top labor lawyers in the state and they are all amazed at the arrogance of USAPA (and for a lawyer to be amazed at arrogance...is amazing). No caviar, just doing a job, have no desire to enter any club that exists in your fevered mind. I could make a lot more money than I do, but I work for a cause now and I make enough to be comfortable. I do like to laugh at how perfectly silly you entitlement east whiners are. Binding arbitration...you signed it, live up to it. You sold your soul to a collective union, individual thinking isn't an option for you.

I for one am grateful that you have a heart felt concern for my soul and appreciate that you can enjoy associating with arrogant folks who choose to be comfortable with less money than they are capable of chasing.

Sometimes its more enjoyable to belittle people about how much more you could be billing rather than actually doing the billing that you claim is the reason you are entitled to belittle them.

Are we simple minded schlubs causing you to be distracted from all the billing you could be doing? Please accept my apology.

I am off to confession and will say a few hail marrys, or whatever. I hope I can sleep tonight.

 

[Phoenix]

More to the story:

ABILENE, Texas - A U.S. Airways plane had to make an emergency landing at Dyess Air Force Base Friday afternoon.

Flight 544 was enroute from Phoenix to Dallas - Fort Worth when it's landing was delayed at DFW by bad weather.

A passenger told us, as the weather delay continued, the plane was told to divert to Abilene.

Abilene Regional Airport manager Don Green says the pilot then had to declare a "fuel emergency" and landed at Dyess about 5:30. The plane was an Airbus 319.

It finally departed for DFW about 7:30.


US Airways Jet Makes Fuel Emergency Landing Near Abilene, Texas
Kenneth Holland | July 22, 2012 | 2 Comments

A US Airways flight from Phoenix (PHX) to Dallas Ft. Worth (DFW) last Friday had to divert to Dyess Air Force Base, Texas when the plane ran low on fuel.

US Airways Flight 544 took off from Phoenix at 12:42 PM and was appproaching DFW when flights were delayed due to bad weather. The Airbus A319 was circling in a hold until their fuel ran low and was forced to land at Dyess Air Force Base near Abilene at 5:00 PM.

The plane refueled and continued on the DFW at 7:30 PM.

Should have done a single engine taxi. 😱

 

[Beancounter]

If you are so successful why are you relegated to hanging out with union schlubs in order to insult them. Seems to me you don't have an entrance into the real successful clubs. Tell us true, do you dream about joining those that have umbrella drinks and caviar while cackling about union schlubs and the other less successful folks that think they are no longer schlubs?

If you're referring to gentlemen's clubs, and I don't mean the kind with poles, I've found they usually drink stuff like 21+ year old scotch. I couldn't begin to afford the dues (just a middle class piss-ant), but I've been an invited guest to several. It's amazing how some of the wealthy live.

I can live without 25-year-old scotch and multiple vacation homes. I would like to be able to afford things like the kid's college and retirement one day. It would be nice to be able to do this by doing just one job (airline pilot). It's still a great job compared to others, but the profession has been sliding backwards for a long time. Delta's new contract gives me some hope. It would be nice to see US/American and United all get similar contracts.

Mr. Bean

 

[EastCheats]

Should have done a single engine taxi. 😱

Or

Maybe a single engine hold? 😱

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Well define whole USAPA, because my guess he is a part of the whole, you know before you go on a name calling tiraid you might consider some of the circumstances MNGMNT has created and embellished! MM!

USAPA: a spite union formed to get out of a binding arbitration and to disenfranchise the AWA pilots.

"tiraid" ??? When you can't even fix simple spelling errors and usage errors, I don't have to call you names...you do it to yourself.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

USAPA: a spite union formed to get out of a binding arbitration and to disenfranchise the AWA pilots.

"tiraid" ??? When you can't even fix simple spelling errors and usage errors, I don't have to call you names...you do it to yourself.

A spite union? And you point to grammar on this forum? Oh yea only by the "EAST" , truly a MNGMNT by DUI! Truly amazing!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

USAPA: a spite union formed to get out of a binding arbitration and to disenfranchise the AWA pilots.

"tiraid" ??? When you can't even fix simple spelling errors and usage errors, I don't have to call you names...you do it to yourself.

You know my grammar stinks, and I have spelling errors but if you could help me http://www.vhpa.org/

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

If you're referring to gentlemen's clubs, and I don't mean the kind with poles, I've found they usually drink stuff like 21+ year old scotch. I couldn't begin to afford the dues (just a middle class piss-ant), but I've been an invited guest to several. It's amazing how some of the wealthy live.

I can live without 25-year-old scotch and multiple vacation homes. I would like to be able to afford things like the kid's college and retirement one day. It would be nice to be able to do this by doing just one job (airline pilot). It's still a great job compared to others, but the profession has been sliding backwards for a long time. Delta's new contract gives me some hope. It would be nice to see US/American and United all get similar contracts.

Mr. Bean

You know BEAN that post made me laugh, 40 something, and you still don't get IT! Not a slight but a generational disconnect, did you subscribe to BARRONS yet?! MM!

 

[Phoenix]

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You could answer without being such a dick. Not belittling you, just the whole USAPA snafu you all created out of your greed.

I appreciate your apology but no need to feel like you were belittling me. I was never offended.

You seem to have a problem with people actually being able to affect the outcome of things by voting. Judge Wake got out-voted but strangely he doesn't seem to be compelled to post here about the joys of no longer being a schlub. He is a wonderful role model. [/background][/font]

 

[HPearlyretiree]

A spite union? And you point to grammar on this forum? Oh yea only by the "EAST" , truly a MNGMNT by DUI! Truly amazing!

spite
   [spahyt] will; malice.



1. a malicious, usually petty, desire to harm, annoy, frustrate, or humiliate another person; bitter ill will; malice.


2. a particular instance of such an attitude or action; grudge.



3. Obsolete . something that causes vexation; annoyance.



Damn..did you even open a book in school?

 

[Beancounter]

You know BEAN that post made me laugh, 40 something, and you still don't get IT! Not a slight but a generational disconnect, did you subscribe to BARRONS yet?! MM!

Coming from someone who is utterly and completely disconnected from reality I'll take that as a compliment. If YOU truly got it, you'd be a wizened old man instead of an angry, bitter one.

Bean

 

[nevergiveup]

Unlike a poor union schlub like you, I can move from company to company and make money, and not be tied to some silly seniority list. I have my flight bennies, I don't have to be part of some collective dead union job. I can go from company to company with my skills.

You? Not so much.

LOL

Let's hope they are not writing skills!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

spite
   [spahyt] will; malice.



1. a malicious, usually petty, desire to harm, annoy, frustrate, or humiliate another person; bitter ill will; malice.


2. a particular instance of such an attitude or action; grudge.



3. Obsolete . something that causes vexation; annoyance.



Damn..did you even open a book in school?

Not seeing that spite thing, Try looking up Pilot, and put it in front of the word union, that may help your understanding! MM