July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Hummel supporters better read this http://www.operationorange.org/2012/06/a-declaration-of-war/ And they don't want you to vote on this. TRANSPARENCY!!!!!!!!! Anything that effecst our pay, work rules/conditions and concessions (should be none we gave already) we should be able to vote on. Compass Corruption boys same as ALPA. Nice going Thomas!!!!!

 

[A320 Driver]

On top of that the east has more than doubled the 330 fleet

We had 9 A330 and we got 7 more. That is more than double?

recieved the 190 fleet that is not in fleet min, taken the ATA 757s, and delivery of how many of the West's orders of 320 types with IAE power?

You can have the 190s if you like. Tell Doug at the next meeting I said it was OK. The ATA 757s are flying Europe I believe. How many 757s have we parked since the merger? A lot more than 3, I assure you. Last time I checked, East had a grand total of 1 A321 with IAE power. You can have that too. The CFMs are better.

What did the West get?

A nice fleet of A321s?

To sum...and in the simplest term...there is no longer east flyng vs. West flying...there is LCC flying...a merger happened...the east and usapa are intentionally taking advantage of seperate ops to steal as much of that flying as they can.

I don't think USAPA or the East pilot group has the power to allocate flying.

Undercutting West pay,

Undercut your pay??? That's a stretch.

Driver...

 

[nic4us]

We had 9 A330 and we got 7 more. That is more than double?



You can have the 190s if you like. Tell Doug at the next meeting I said it was OK. The ATA 757s are flying Europe I believe. How many 757s have we parked since the merger? A lot more than 3, I assure you. Last time I checked, East had a grand total of 1 A321 with IAE power. You can have that too. The CFMs are better.



A nice fleet of A321s?



I don't think USAPA or the East pilot group has the power to allocate flying.



Undercut your pay??? That's a stretch.

Driver...

I thought you had 6....maybe we should seek a neutral voice.....700UW or BB perhaps.

We already have a share of the 190s...um...well at least the West is owed an IOU as per arbitration that the east is actively seking to avoid, just like the Nic...so West pilots have to be furloughed, then recalled east in direct violation of the TA in order to fly the airplanes they already have an award to fly.

IAE is a much better engine...just ask Sully...had he been in an IAE powered airplane with the wide chord fan blades...the geese would have been pate and the airplane would have landed under power at the New York feild of his choosing.

Thanks for the "nice fleet of 321s" um,,,,they were ares anyway sans merger.

Flying is allocated by management.....the same management that was found in violation of the TA and min West block in the TA10 grievance. There is no West auditing of min block because usapa has stripped West of representation. Further, usapa intentionally seeks seperate ops, but has no intention of letting the West have seperate representation or of letting the West have seperate section 6 negotiations.

Not only does the east undercut West pay, they do it for less time off, less vacation, less benefits.

 

[Pi brat]

We had 9 A330 and we got 7 more. That is more than double?



You can have the 190s if you like. Tell Doug at the next meeting I said it was OK. The ATA 757s are flying Europe I believe. How many 757s have we parked since the merger? A lot more than 3, I assure you. Last time I checked, East had a grand total of 1 A321 with IAE power. You can have that too. The CFMs are better.



A nice fleet of A321s?



I don't think USAPA or the East pilot group has the power to allocate flying.



Undercut your pay??? That's a stretch.

Driver...

The west has gotten quite a few new A321s and a 757. By nic and clear's logic that is "growth" and needs to be shared with the east. I'm going to get USAPA right on it.

 

[nic4us]

The PHX hub is a loser and thats your problem not ours.

This from a from a guy whose entire airline was a loser and had to be overhauled by the West and West management in order to survive.

And, yes that is the West pilot's problem also. Entitled a-holes like this jerk think they can assign who had what where and when, after they have stolen something that does not belong to them in the first place.

 

[Pi brat]

clear you never answered my question. How many A/C does the west have now?

 

[nic4us]

The west has gotten quite a few new A321s and a 757. By nic and clear's logic that is "growth" and needs to be shared with the east. I'm going to get USAPA right on it.

We were not talking "growth"...we were talking who brought what, and who has claim to what.

Please do get usapa right on openly sharing all flying amongst all pilots on a better pay and benefits CBA. Just make sure you remind them all pilots have a final and binding seniority integration agreement.

I do not think you will be successful. I think it is usapa's stated purpose of reneging on the agreement the pilots they represent have with the other pilots they have a DFR to represent. As a matter of fact, I believe there is video of the little lawyer explaining the scab plan of undercutting West pay to entice the company to collude with usapa in violating the TA.

 

[Pi brat]

I thought you had 6....maybe we should seek a neutral voice.....700UW or BB perhaps.

We had 9. Don't believe me? Then how about George Nicolau?

From the opinion and award:

"The fleets also differed. As of May 19, 2005, US Airways operated
270 jets, including 9 A330s and 10 B767s. There were firm orders for 19
A320's and 10 A330-200s, but none had been delivered. As of January
1, 2007, however, the US Airways fleet was down to 226 aircraft; 9
A330s, 10 B767s, 34 B757s, 102 A320s, 69 B737s and 2 Embraerl90s.
Then, by July 1, 2007, 3 B757s had been retired and 3 Embraers were
added, leaving the total number at 226. As of May 19, 2005, America
West had 144 jet aircraft; 13 B757s, 39 B737s and 92 A320s, with firm
orders for 19 A320s. As of January 1, 2007, the number of America
West aircraft was down to 133; 12 B757s, 26 B737s and 94,A320s. As of
July 1, 2007, with the elimination of 1 737, the total had dropped to
132."

 

[nic4us]

clear you never answered my question. How many A/C does the west have now?

Good question...but the pertinent question would be how much block is the West flying, and does it meet min block per the TA.

Oh, and the West has asked that question but can't get a verifiable answere because the company and usapa are safeguarding that info.

 

[A320 Driver]

I thought you had 6....maybe we should seek a neutral voice.....700UW or BB perhaps.

A/C #s 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278
-200s start at #279.

IAE is a much better engine...just ask Sully...had he been in an IAE powered airplane with the wide chord fan blades...the geese would have been pate and the airplane would have landed under power at the New York feild of his choosing.

You get the prize for the biggest assumption of the day.

Not only does the east undercut West pay, they do it for less time off, less vacation, less benefits.

Yes, we are intimately familiar with LOA93...it sucks. I had no idea you guys were so upset about it. Most of you post "enjoy LOA93".

Driver...

 

[Pi brat]

Good question...but the pertinent question would be how much block is the West flying, and does it meet min block per the TA.

Oh, and the West has asked that question but can't get a verifiable answere because the company and usapa are safeguarding that info.

Of course they are. I just read an update from the committee the other day giving the average block hours and that the company was in compliance.

BTW, those numbers above? The show a 16% reduction on the east by the date Nicolau used for his award vs. and 8% reduction on the west.

 

[Pi brat]

You get the prize for the biggest assumption of the day.

In my experience with the IAE I have had more mech issues with the few I've flown than in 9 years with the CFM, but none lately. They burn more fuel at idle, but don't know about over all. They seem to have more mid-altitude power and better reversers.

 

[nic4us]

We had 9. Don't believe me? Then how about George Nicolau?

From the opinion and award:

"The fleets also differed. As of May 19, 2005, US Airways operated
270 jets, including 9 A330s and 10 B767s. There were firm orders for 19
A320's and 10 A330-200s, but none had been delivered. As of January
1, 2007, however, the US Airways fleet was down to 226 aircraft; 9
A330s, 10 B767s, 34 B757s, 102 A320s, 69 B737s and 2 Embraerl90s.
Then, by July 1, 2007, 3 B757s had been retired and 3 Embraers were
added, leaving the total number at 226. As of May 19, 2005, America
West had 144 jet aircraft; 13 B757s, 39 B737s and 92 A320s, with firm
orders for 19 A320s. As of January 1, 2007, the number of America
West aircraft was down to 133; 12 B757s, 26 B737s and 94,A320s. As of
July 1, 2007, with the elimination of 1 737, the total had dropped to
132."

9 it was then...I was wrong....

Also, I would consider Nicolau as a neutral third party, so no reason for 700UW to reply.

 

[Pi brat]

Also, I would consider Nicolau as a neutral third party, so no reason for 700UW to reply.

Thank God. He would just start in on pilots picking up papers again.

Here's the scope committee update:

Scope Quarterly Meeting Recap


Aug. 01, 2012

On Thursday, July 19, 2012, the USAPA Scope Committee attended the Quarterly Scope Compliance meeting at Company Headquarters in Tempe.
USAPA was represented by Scope Committee members Mark King, Patrick O’Neill and Tracy Wright. The meeting was hosted by Beth Holdren, and included Andrew Nocella, Heather Garboden and Eric Pao.
As this was the first time for your new Scope Committee, Heather Garboden walked us through the aircraft utilization calculation. The monthly calculation divides block hours, derived from ACARS data, by available aircraft days. The results confirm the Company is in compliance with the minimum aircraft utilizations required in the Transition Agreement.
Current aircraft utilizations continue to trend upward, exceeding the 8.79 East/9.87 West requirements per hull.
Remember, we have seen daily utilizations fall on East 737's as they are phased-out (which mirrors what happened in PHX when they were leaving). It might appear to pilots on those aircraft that compliance might be in question. But these are average utilization numbers taken over the entire fleet, so Airbus aircraft may be used for more hours during the day than older Boeings.


O'Neil is a west pilot, isn't he? Are you saying he is lying?

 

[nic4us]

A/C #s 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278
-200s start at #279.

You get the prize for the biggest assumption of the day.

Yes, we are intimately familiar with LOA93...it sucks. I had no idea you guys were so upset about it. Most of you post "enjoy LOA93".

Driver...

Assumption???

Yeah...but, I really do think the fewer blades with the wide chord handle ingestion better. Not only birds but iceing can be an issue . CFM had to redo that spinner because of problems with ice accumulation.

The other thing about CFM...when they shut down, there is so much blade rattle it sounds like the thing is coming apart, what is with that, the engines we had on the 737-300 made some noise but nowhere near as much as the CFMs on the 320.