June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[westcoastflyer]

Today's comments by Scott Kirby are a big deal. He talks about a "fresh start" to the seniority process. In other words, no Nicolau and no DOH. Each side can save face. USAPA can brag about how they saved the East pilots form the grossly unfair Nicolau award, and the AOL group can brag about saving the West pilots from a possible DOH cram down. Each side loses a little, and each side gains a littlle. Nobody totally wins or loses at the expense of the other pilot group. At last a COMPROMISE to the whole situation.

 

[Move2CLT]

Ethically, definitely worth it. It has been immensely satisfying to see the east pilot group unite against the egregious screwup at the hands of George Nicolau.

Financially, the money doesn't matter....just ask Cleardirect. Or, does it matter? Obviously it matters a lot to you. You guys need to get your stories straight. The money obviously, in the west mindset, matters very much when you can point out how much we on the east have been "losing," and that the west gets paid "so much more" (what a joke that is.) Cleardirect points out how much more Delta pilots get than me. Well, those Delta pilots are leaving you in the dust, too, every second we keep the Nicolau at bay. And the east pilots left you in the dust since day one of your pathetic little American West Airlines opened its decrepit doors.

But, when I point out that a fairly large percentage of east pilots (A330 and 767) are really on an equal footing, or ahead of the west, Clear comes out and vilifies us that we care too much about monetary comparisons.

You are all incredibly small and narrow-minded men and women.

Save your ethics BS. You guys are the last to talk of anything ethical.

And if your train wreck is an example of how united you are, then you're pathetic as well. Look at the discourse on this board alone. USAPA made it onto property by only the slimmest of margins. PHL fighting CLT fighting DCA. Hummel fighting the east reps. Recall going on against PHL....this is your united front?

LMAO.

Money does matter. It matters to all of us. They way you guys were crying about snapbacks and being on LOA93 means it matters a ton to you as well. So save your crap about it not mattering to you.

You guys may have been top pay for a FEW MONTHS, but you've been bottom dwellers for MUCH LONGER.

If anyone is small and narrow minded, it's the easties. You care only about the outcome, not the ethics and morals that go with attaining that outcome.

Screw everybody has been your east mantra for a long time and it, once again, is coming back to bite you.

 

[Move2CLT]

Today's comments by Scott Kirby are a big deal. He talks about a "fresh start" to the seniority process. In other words, no Nicolau and no DOH. Each side can save face. USAPA can brag about how they saved the East pilots form the grossly unfair Nicolau award, and the AOL group can brag about saving the West pilots from a possible DOH cram down. Each side loses a little, and each side gains a littlle. Nobody totally wins or loses at the expense of the other pilot group. At last a COMPROMISE to the whole situation.

Shut up please. He never stated anything you posted.

DOH has been dead a long time and Nicolau is still the accepted list.

Troll elsewhere.

 

[EastUS1]

Said the guy who puts family second.

Posts from someone with that sort of moral character have no value or substance.

I just don't understand how you can put family second. Probably cheated on your wife and are divorced now.

Enjoy those as well as all of your other infantile fantasies, little "Spartan" 😉

 

[nycbusdriver]

See today's article in the street.com also available through a link on yahoo airline industry news. In it Scott Kirby says there will be a joint contract between USAPA and APA the day the merger takes effect. THEN, the pilot seniority situation will be solved throughout the M-Bond process, which inevitably would involve binding arbitration. Kirby says this will be a "fresh start" to the pilot seniority resolution process.

Ah! A westie that actually understands the situation. Bravo.

I take back my previous comment that all of you are small and narrow-minded. There are exceptions, but rarely found on this message board.

 

[nic4us]

And you sir never rise above your level It's obvious you prefer to wallow in the muck. The venom in your posts is proof. I abet nothing. I pay my dues to the current cba as I did to the former and would do to the next cba if I would still be working here ....if and when the change comes.

You have stated your reasons for voting for usapa. Frankly, I do not care. You were granted a second bite at your position not once but twice due to the AWA aquisition of AAA and the age 65 rule change. Yet, I nor any West poster have ever claimed to be entittled to your or NYCBusdriver's or LUV9s positions.

Why is it that your "colleagues" deserve or are entitled mine?

On second thought, since I no longer respect your opinion, don't even bother replying.

 

[EastUS1]

I take back my previous comment that all of you are small and narrow-minded. There are exceptions, but rarely found on this message board.

Indeed. The most rabid that generally "represent" the west here, do so rather poorly, and not all "westies" are such sadly limited individuals by any measure.

 

[mrbreeze]

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11540439/1/us-airways-exec-amr-merger-would-end-pilot-seniority-mess.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

 

[Black Swan]

Looks like Kirby understands how things will happen seeing how the Nicolau Award was never brought into a contract, which it needed to make it enacted. The entire process is going to start all over. Looking at what Delta is proposing, we all need to ratchet up the pay expected significantly if the company wants a deal.

 

[Black Swan]

Spike has been ineffectual as a rep. With at least a more unified BPR we'd be able to accomplish something. Spike is a leftover piece if the Cleary admin that the company refused to work with. They seem willing to work with Hummel and putting in reps that support that would only benefit us. I do think it's a bit late as this will put it into the summer and by then much of this will be decided without us. I don't think we'll have a unified BPR before this is done and USAPA is removed as our CBA.

Spike does a great job. And you can also thank Mike Cleary for keeping the sides apart long enough for the Nic to be a non issue. Your DCA reps were personally responsible for taking our pension. That was some serious damage that can be quantified, unlike you spurious charges against Spike. You really should stay out of PHL council affairs after the damage done in the past by DCA reps.

 

[Move2CLT]

Enjoy those as well as all of your other infantile fantasies, little "Spartan" 😉

Nice retort "career guy".

LMAO.

 

[Move2CLT]

Ah! A westie that actually understands the situation. Bravo.

I take back my previous comment that all of you are small and narrow-minded. There are exceptions, but rarely found on this message board.

You've deduced he's a westie because....he has "west" in his name?

Brilliant.

The small-mindedness continues on the east.

 

[Move2CLT]

Looks like Kirby understands how things will happen seeing how the Nicolau Award was never brought into a contract, which it needed to make it enacted. The entire process is going to start all over. Looking at what Delta is proposing, we all need to ratchet up the pay expected significantly if the company wants a deal.

Ya, that's it. And LOA93 is a sure thing. And so are snapbacks. DOH? No problemo. AoL - they wont be a problem...

...and the east fantasy continues.

 

[nic4us]

Shut up please. He never stated anything you posted.

DOH has been dead a long time and Nicolau is still the accepted list.

Troll elsewhere.

Kirby would only be repeating the company line that Parker laid out in the CLT crewnews regarding the effects a merger would have on the seniority integration and COC.

In that short presentation, Parker clearly says seniority would be MB and that either two or three parties would take place in the arbitration.

Just covering his bases. If Silver says the company could be liable, then it is two parties with the Nic. If she does not, then it is three parties and the West goes in front a future arbitrator asking to be slotted in relation to the east in positions at least as favorable as the Nic or greater due to the fact that the east reneged and stole 5.5 years of West flying awarded to us via Nic and the 190 arbitration.

 

[cleardirect]

Today's comments by Scott Kirby are a big deal. He talks about a "fresh start" to the seniority process. In other words, no Nicolau and no DOH. Each side can save face. USAPA can brag about how they saved the East pilots form the grossly unfair Nicolau award, and the AOL group can brag about saving the West pilots from a possible DOH cram down. Each side loses a little, and each side gains a littlle. Nobody totally wins or loses at the expense of the other pilot group. At last a COMPROMISE to the whole situation.

There is no compromise. It will be the Nicolau.

If anything else is used it will end up in court.