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Black Swan said:
Spike does a great job. And you can also thank Mike Cleary for keeping the sides apart long enough for the Nic to be a non issue. Your DCA reps were personally responsible for taking our pension. That was some serious damage that can be quantified, unlike you spurious charges against Spike. You really should stay out of PHL council affairs after the damage done in the past by DCA reps.
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How is the Niclau a non-issue? I don't get how you're sweeping it under the rug especially in light of what was said in th DJ? It's naive of you to think and say that the Niclau is gone because it isn't. It's obviously enough of a threat for the company to spend the money on a DJ suit. If it wasn't a threat, the company would have moved forward long ago. And all Sp
 
Move2CLT said:
Ya, that's it. And LOA93 is a sure thing. And so are snapbacks. DOH? No problemo. AoL - they wont be a problem...

...and the east fantasy continues.
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Let's see, the President of the company, which filed the DJ is now saying the seniority dispute is not solvable as is.The same President who speaks routinely with legal.He now says it has to be done in a 3 way with AA. And then we have an internet junkie who posts incessantly about moving somewhere to a base he can't actually fly an airplane is claiming something else. The same internet junkie who statistically could not fly and post with the frequency he or she does without being furloughed or out on medical. Who do we believe??? Hmmmmmmmm
 
Move2CLT said:
Shut up please. He never stated anything you posted.

DOH has been dead a long time and Nicolau is still the accepted list.

Troll elsewhere.
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Oh, Boo....don't cry too hard. What's that you said? "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"?



Kirby: We expect an AMR-US Airways merger to resolve our pilot seniority dispute

By Terry Maxon/Reporter
tmaxon@dallasnews.com | Bio
11:36 AM on Thu., May. 17, 2012 | Permalink
US Airways president Scott Kirby said Thursday that the airline believes a merger with AMR and American Airlines will help US Airways resolve the prolonged seniority dispute of pilots at US Airways.

Responding to a question at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch conference, Kirby talked about the dispute between pilots of US Airways and America West Airlines after the 2005 merger about how they would combine their seniority lists.

Here is his answer at the conference.

"Yeah. It's ironic but the solution to that issue at US Airways I think it's probably because we're able to get this deal done. The area that people focus on the most is USAPA, our pilots' union. In this case there is a huge benefit for our pilots in getting the deal done. They can go to the new contract at American, which is a very large pay raise for the US Airways pilots. So as I fly around the system, as I talk to the union leadership at USAPA, they want the deal to happen and they want us to get it done and they are working cooperatively with us and with APA to get the deal done.
"As to the seniority integration issue, I think this is the way out of the box for them. For those of you that follow the industry, there has been this seniority fight between the former US Airways and the former America West pilots. And as long as that seniority dispute is happening and isn't resolved by a court, they really can't negotiate a single agreement with the company because they can't agree on what's going to happen with seniority. And they are waiting for a court to answer that question for them.

"This is a way to start over and -- not start over completely, but at least have a fresh beginning. Today, you know what, the analogy I use is that they painted themselves into a corner into a room, and neither side can compromise. This is a way to start the process over in a new integration.

"There is also federal legislation, the McCaskill-Bond legislation, which will mandate binding arbitration. So the plan in this case is that our union and APA combined will have a joint contract, and we will have that hopefully on the day we close the merger, assuming we do.

"That contract will be in place and so there will be a joint contract in place. And then more than likely the seniority issue will go through a process and ultimately get to arbitration. But because we will already have a joint contract in place, that arbitration will be binding. It will just get implemented.

"In the US Airways - America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn't done yet.

"And because it wasn't done yet, the side that didn't like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened.

"In this case, there'll be a joint contract in advance, and the seniority integration will happen.

"I'm encouraged that USAPA and APA, the two respective unions, are working well together and working jointly with the company. So I am optimistic that this ironically solves the largest hangover from the US Airways - America West transaction."

USAPA refers to US Airline Pilots Association, the new union set up by pilots from the original US Airways after they didn't like the seniority decision that favored pilots from the former America West. APA is the Allied Pilots Association, the union that represents American Airlines pilots.

US Airways has a deal with the APA and American's other two unions to support a US-AA merger and has conditional terms for their contracts post-merger.

American this month announced a protocol with the unsecured creditors committee to explore strategic alternatives, including potential mergers.
 
Black Swan said:
Spike does a great job. And you can also thank Mike Cleary for keeping the sides apart long enough for the Nic to be a non issue. Your DCA reps were personally responsible for taking our pension. That was some serious damage that can be quantified, unlike you spurious charges against Spike. You really should stay out of PHL council affairs after the damage done in the past by DCA reps.
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How is the Niclau a non-issue? I don't get how you're sweeping it under the rug especially in light of what was said in th DJ? It's naive of you to think and say that the Niclau is gone because it isn't. It's obviously enough of a threat for the company to spend the money on a DJ suit. If it wasn't a threat, the company would have moved forward long ago. And all SpIke and Mike have done have promised us things they've never followed up on. Their delay means LOA93 for us for that time. And say what you will, but many of us are tired of that and are ready for this merger to be done. It will be for our own good that this is out of our hands. It gives us less of a chance to mess it up. And I grew up in DC, not based there.
 
dca319 said:
How is the Niclau a non-issue? I don't get how you're sweeping it under the rug especially in light of what was said in th DJ? It's naive of you to think and say that the Niclau is gone because it isn't. It's obviously enough of a threat for the company to spend the money on a DJ suit. If it wasn't a threat, the company would have moved forward long ago. And all Sp
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The money on the DJ was well spent. It is called delaying the process. Now that Kirby wants a deal, he is stating otherwise. There is no way the Nicolau could be forced on the East without the East voting it in with a contract. Read the 9th. The DJ means nothing.


"It is, however,
at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated." 9th Court of Appeals San Francisco.
 
nycbusdriver said:
Oh, Boo....don't cry too hard. What's that you said? "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"?



Kirby: We expect an AMR-US Airways merger to resolve our pilot seniority dispute

By Terry Maxon/Reporter
tmaxon@dallasnews.com | Bio
11:36 AM on Thu., May. 17, 2012 | Permalink
US Airways president Scott Kirby said Thursday that the airline believes a merger with AMR and American Airlines will help US Airways resolve the prolonged seniority dispute of pilots at US Airways.

Responding to a question at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch conference, Kirby talked about the dispute between pilots of US Airways and America West Airlines after the 2005 merger about how they would combine their seniority lists.

Here is his answer at the conference.

"Yeah. It's ironic but the solution to that issue at US Airways I think it's probably because we're able to get this deal done. The area that people focus on the most is USAPA, our pilots' union. In this case there is a huge benefit for our pilots in getting the deal done. They can go to the new contract at American, which is a very large pay raise for the US Airways pilots. So as I fly around the system, as I talk to the union leadership at USAPA, they want the deal to happen and they want us to get it done and they are working cooperatively with us and with APA to get the deal done.
"As to the seniority integration issue, I think this is the way out of the box for them. For those of you that follow the industry, there has been this seniority fight between the former US Airways and the former America West pilots. And as long as that seniority dispute is happening and isn't resolved by a court, they really can't negotiate a single agreement with the company because they can't agree on what's going to happen with seniority. And they are waiting for a court to answer that question for them.

"This is a way to start over and -- not start over completely, but at least have a fresh beginning. Today, you know what, the analogy I use is that they painted themselves into a corner into a room, and neither side can compromise. This is a way to start the process over in a new integration.

"There is also federal legislation, the McCaskill-Bond legislation, which will mandate binding arbitration. So the plan in this case is that our union and APA combined will have a joint contract, and we will have that hopefully on the day we close the merger, assuming we do.

"That contract will be in place and so there will be a joint contract in place. And then more than likely the seniority issue will go through a process and ultimately get to arbitration. But because we will already have a joint contract in place, that arbitration will be binding. It will just get implemented.

"In the US Airways - America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn't done yet.

"And because it wasn't done yet, the side that didn't like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened.

"In this case, there'll be a joint contract in advance, and the seniority integration will happen.

"I'm encouraged that USAPA and APA, the two respective unions, are working well together and working jointly with the company. So I am optimistic that this ironically solves the largest hangover from the US Airways - America West transaction."

USAPA refers to US Airline Pilots Association, the new union set up by pilots from the original US Airways after they didn't like the seniority decision that favored pilots from the former America West. APA is the Allied Pilots Association, the union that represents American Airlines pilots.

US Airways has a deal with the APA and American's other two unions to support a US-AA merger and has conditional terms for their contracts post-merger.

American this month announced a protocol with the unsecured creditors committee to explore strategic alternatives, including potential mergers.
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Oh ya, you got me with a Ted Reed article.

Whaaaaa indeed. Guess I'll hang it up now.
 
dca319 said:
It will be for our own good that this is out of our hands. It gives us less of a chance to mess it up.
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Unbelievable!...You ARE a "Pilot" aren't you? Why don't you just make a passenger announcement to the above effect sometime...and see how much "confidence" is given to your "judgement" afterwards? 😉

Per your above: "You are embarrassing us with these kind of posts" Umm...and you fantasize that your postings don't serve to embarass?....Most amusing indeed.
 
Black Swan said:
Let's see, the President of the company, which filed the DJ is now saying the seniority dispute is not solvable as is.The same President who speaks routinely with legal.He now says it has to be done in a 3 way with AA. And then we have an internet junkie who posts incessantly about moving somewhere to a base he can't actually fly an airplane is claiming something else. The same internet junkie who statistically could not fly and post with the frequency he or she does without being furloughed or out on medical. Who do we believe??? Hmmmmmmmm
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Someone obviously did not watch the latest CLT crew news.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

And I've seen I've scared you enough that you have to pull out the "he's not a pilot" card. Glad to see you're upset by it.

Let's see those statistics math man. LMAO.

CLT in 2014.
 
Black Swan said:
HMMMMM, out flying a trip. Too busy also. You? I bet you caught it the second it was out.
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No, but things like laptops (it's a portable computer BTW) allow me to watch this stuff on the road.

Put an effort into actually building facts around your posts. You'll see that 3 way thing is just another fantasy in your long line of fantasies. .
 
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