June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mrbreeze]

Wrong, Sherlock. Both a backbone and sense of humor are present and accouted for. The sense of humor is especially important when reading your contant whining and bitching. It's amazing that supposedly smart people could believe that someone wanting to keep the seniority s/he'd earned could be wrong but wanting to go from on the street to being senior to captains is considered "only fair". That people would feel entitled to jump ahead so much in seniority is what's really pathetic...

Jim

To you and traitor both.....neither of you have displayed any backbone or sense of humor. All you have ever done is to run your co-workers down. why would any of us even consider you as anything more than a traitor?

No one on the east respects anything you have to say......whining and crying...no, just speaking the truth.

breeze

 

[PITbull]

Yep......

Dearly beloved...we gather here today, to discuss who is the most clueless scab of the usapa bunch.....


no, today's most cluless usapa scab is Dimwitt Inbred, who in his incredibly naive letter highlights many reasons we can all dismiss him as an uninformed idiot. Dimwitt writes that the pilots gave 10 billion in concessions to "save THIS airline". Wrong Dimwitt, the former east pilots made concessions to save the airline THIS airline BOUGHT. Further, it is the stated position of THIS management that they, not you, saved your job. Now run along and thank them by staying on the sub-par wages and work rules you have so eagerly scabbed to get.

And do you really, really, really, believe that YOUR management would have been interested in a merger if those BILLIONS of dollars from the east labor groups were not made???????? And, while were at it, at what price did the regional carrier,America West pay for such a legacy as US Airways being that America West was the first airline to run and get an ATSB loan after 9/11????
When I was at the table, there was never a mention that America West was buying US Airways; it was more vica versa. US Airways had an interim CEO while in BK along with most of senior management, as they were hired on (9 of them) as anti union strategists for those 4 tumultous years...soooooo that would leave Dougie and gang with those management slots, the way I see it.

But if you can come up with some factual numbers for this buy out, I'm sitting in the ready to read it.

 

[traderjake]

No one on the east respects anything you have to say...

You're an idiot.

I've had Captains thank me for what I've said here.

 

[mrbreeze]

You're an idiot.

I've had Captains thank me for what I've said here.

That's not what I hear on the line. It's unfortunate that people will not tell you to your face what they really think. Human nature, I suppose....and please watch the name calling.

breeze

 

[traderjake]

That's not what I hear on the line. It's unfortunate that people will not tell you to your face what they really think. Human nature, I suppose....and please watch the name calling.

They tell me because I ask what they think about USAPA and the Nicolau award.

Only an idiot is unfamiliar with the concept of thinking for yourself and confuses that with lack of backbone.

 

[mrbreeze]

They tell me because I ask what they think about USAPA and the Nicolau award.

Only an idiot is unfamiliar with the concept of thinking for yourself and confuses that with lack of backbone.

Trader,
It's unfortunate that you confuse pilot's attitudes about USAPA and the NIC.....two completely different topics.

You need to sort out just where that backbone lies.....not necessarily you, but in what others tell you.

Again....I don't believe I have ever called you names, please refrain.
breeze

 

[traderjake]

Again....I don't believe I have ever called you names, please refrain.

Seems to me that you and Traitor would develop a backbone instead of aligning with the West pilot's wishbone. Your attitude is pathetic.

breeze

To you and traitor both.....neither of you have displayed any backbone or sense of humor. breeze

So you can call me a coward but calling you an idiot is off limits.

I don't think so.

 

[cleardirect]

As well as many who would benefit personally from just taking the nic and whatever raise, and in fact, forego potential gains in order to oppose it. No matter. Let's take the perspective that four arbitrations equates to arbitration being a proven and reasonable method. Hmmmm....were you aware that the longest running hand at a craps table, at least to date, was 4 hours and 18 minutes, with 154 rolls and 25 pass line wins? That's a great deal larger sample than a mere 4 "rolls", and one might misconstrue the succesful 154 rolls in a row with equating to a more reasonable method. Perhaps all should now employ dice to make seniority determinations?

I guess you never took statistics. Ever heard of a sample size?

How many rolls happen at a single craps table in a night?

How many seniority arbitrations have happened in the last 10 years?

154 out of 5000-10000 rolls compared to 4 out of what 10? I would say the 4 intigrations that favored the Nicolau method far outweighs the tiny faction at the crpas table.

Beside you said 154 rolls and 25 passes. You have 2 shots (actually 4) of making your come out. That means he hit his number 129 times without crapping out but not on the come out. But I would imagine that given 154 chances out of 10,000 you may have gotten the outcome from arbitration you wanted.

Talk about comparing apples and apes.

 

[fodase]

1) What dispute did the nic arbitration indeed "settle"? The most casual observer would see nothing's been settled in over five years and counting. If you wish to claim this example to be a brilliant, workable and presumably beneficial product to the involved employee groups, and a fine testimonial to the use of arbitration...well...I'd sure love to hear your explanation......?

2) Hardly. What you see again is a refusal to abandon personal beliefs and principles just to suit whatever nonsense might be whimsically floating by in the way of momentary social fashion....which, from your response, is presumably an entirely alien concept to you .

Nic. did settle it but one party is a bunch of dishonorable scabs.

 

[EastUS1]

I guess you never took statistics. Ever heard of a sample size?

How many rolls happen at a single craps table in a night?

154 out of 5000-10000 rolls compared to 4 out of what 10?

But I would imagine that given 154 chances out of 10,000.......

"I guess you never took statistics." Your guess would be wrong. No surprise there. "I guess you never took" ANY math whatsoever, or you would have quickly realized that presuming 5000-10000 rolls in an evening, when even the very example noted 154 throws consuming 4 hours and 18 minutes....Well...? Hmmm...Work with me here Wunderkinder: 24 hours to a day...then we reduce even that to define some acceptable notion of what period constitutes night, determine the available hours within that...and..well.....how about figuring out even that basic addition, multiplication and division stuff before further embarrassing yourself by demonstrating your obvious level of complete and possibly incurable ignorance....ignorance due to misplaced arrogance and inattention only I hope, and not the wholesale lack of ability.

Sigh!...Thanks so much for that useful lecture....I sure as hell hope your notions on fuel consumption over time are based on far more accurate mental processing than what you've just shown yourself sadly capable of...Seriously; Words just fail me here sometimes.

 

[EastUS1]

Nic. did settle it but one party is a bunch of dishonorable scabs.

"Nic. did settle it but..."

"but"? = That sounds like it's a bit short of settled as yet then.

"...but one party is a bunch of dishonorable scabs." = Need a fresh box of tissues?

 

[cleardirect]

"I guess you never took statistics." Your guess would be wrong. No surprise there. "I guess you never took" ANY math whatsoever, or you would have quickly realized that presuming 5000-10000 rolls in an evening, when even the very example noted 154 throws consuming 4 hours and 18 minutes....Well...? Hmmm...Work with me here Wunderkinder: 24 hours to a day...then we reduce even that to define some acceptable notion of what period constitutes night, determine the available hours within that...and..well.....how about figuring out even that basic addition, multiplication and division stuff before further embarrassing yourself by demonstrating your obvious level of complete and possibly incurable ignorance....ignorance due to misplaced arrogance and inattention only I hope, and not the wholesale lack of ability.

Sigh!...Thanks so much for that useful lecture....I sure as hell hope your notions on fuel consumption over time are based on far more accurate mental processing than what you've just shown yourself sadly capable of...Seriously; Words just fail me here sometimes.

OK so the famous roll streak took 1.6 minutes per roll. That seems a bit slow for a typical crap game. How about you do a little math your self. How many craps table are there in the world? How many rolls are thrown everyday all day year round? Now in the history of the game the longest roll is 154. Out of how many rolls every thrown? There is your sample size.

Now how many seniority arbitration have happened and how many have had the outcome like Nicolau?

 

[EastUS1]

OK so the famous roll streak took 1.6 minutes per roll. That seems a bit slow for a typical crap game. How about you do a little math your self. How many craps table are there in the world? How many rolls are thrown everyday all day year round? Now in the history of the game the longest roll is 154. Out of how many rolls every thrown? There is your sample size.

Now how many seniority arbitration have happened and how many have had the outcome like Nicolau?

Sigh!...You're sinking ever further into a pit that requres questioning of whether you ever "took statistics"...

"That seems a bit slow for a typical crap game." Correct, and the theatrical value of the ongoing run likely slowed things down considerably. However; even a moment's research would have directed you to a number more approximating 100 per hour, varying with the number of players at the table.....a bit shy of your 5000-10000 of a night perhaps? Is this the sort of "math" one uses when evaluating the Nic? 😉

"Now in the history of the game the longest roll is 154." That's observed and documented, you mean. There's actually no way of knowing if that amounts to the longest dice run of all history. "Out of how many rolls every thrown?" = Unknown and forever unknowable, hence, there's absolutely no rational basis for advancing:"There is your sample size.", since no empirical data can ever be made available for relative, or even speculative evaluation...other than to note that a whole lot of dice have rolled. Hint: One must have such data recorded in order to HAVE any useful sample size....unless you're just willing to accept a level of confidence deviation that amounts to 0 to anything up to 100%....even if you're suggesting cluster or accidental sampling here....OK?

"Now how many seniority arbitration have happened and how many have had the outcome like Nicolau?" Hmmm...five plus years and not acceptable and employed..? = Evidently, the nic is in a class by it's self. 😉

Be more careful with math for the fuel..OK? 😉

 

[luvthe9]

Trader,
It's unfortunate that you confuse pilot's attitudes about USAPA and the NIC.....two completely different topics.

You need to sort out just where that backbone lies.....not necessarily you, but in what others tell you.

Again....I don't believe I have ever called you names, please refrain.
breeze

Breeze, your wasting your time this this POS "Traitor" It's only him and Munn and a few others.

 

[Ames]

To you and traitor both.....neither of you have displayed any backbone or sense of humor. All you have ever done is to run your co-workers down. why would any of us even consider you as anything more than a traitor?

No one on the east respects anything you have to say......whining and crying...no, just speaking the truth.

breeze

Jim and Trader are the only easties to display backbone and no one on the east respects anything they have to say because no one on the east respects the truth.