June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

It was morally unethical for AWA to save USAirways and keep you all on the payroll.

Sigh! Now see right there folks....I knew you couldn't hold back your highly "moral" notions forever. 😉

HP: "Arrogant, entitlement thought, thankfully, outside of the tiny cadre of USAPA folk they are universally mocked and laughed at"

It's indeed refreshing to see your very honest and forthright, and of course, entirely "objective" view on the whole scenario finally made clear.

Whew!...and to think I ever questioned your "sincerity" or even imagined you had some childish "agenda" here.....Just goes to show what a poor judge of "character" I really am 😉

 

[nic4us]

HP,

Ok, you've got 25 yrs of hard earned experience ( I am sure you have earned it). Let's say that your pay, promotions, schedules, etc are based on your 25 yrs on the job. Also, you are represented by a union who has let the company gut your contract and given away your retirement, which was projected to be about $90k/yr and was cut to $29k/yr.....(you hate this union, but you're tied to it and helpless to do anything about it due to the pace of things). Also, your union promised you a vote to determine the outcome of your pension, but did not give you that vote!!!!

Remember, at this point, all you have is your seniority to try and recoup this gutting of your contract.

Suddenly, your screwed up union fails to negotiate anything less than DOH (still ALPA), so an arbitrator puts a bunch of guys ahead of you who are 17 yrs your junior. Some still in High school when you were hired. Be honest, how would you feel being screwed like that?

The straw that broke the camels back.....bye bye ALPA, at last.

I didn't pay ALPA dues for about a year before the NIC even came out.

Now, HP, you go out and sign a "contract" that puts you, personally, in this position. Or better yet, your union, that you are tied to, agrees to a "contract" and you can do nothing about it except throw the ALPA losers off the property.

THERE IS NO WAY YOU WOULD AGREE TO ANY OF THAT!!!. If you did, you would find that there is no way for you to ever regain your EARNED position over the last 25 yrs.

breeze

What does a 25 year human reasource manager who is about to lose his job have to do with the east pilots who were about to lose theirs?


Oh, and Breeze, you EARNED your position. That was Usairways furloughed. Not My position, that was AWA A320 captain. Sorry, you are not going to steal my job.

 

[cleardirect]

So east us is demanding respect because he "strapped on a military aircraft". Do you think that respect should automatically follow you for the rest of your life matter what you do?
If so why don't you respect the man that created the Nicolau list? He strapped on a military aircraft and got shot at.

Now breeze is calling the Nicolau immoral therefore calling the man that created it immoral. Got anything to say to breeze? Or do you also believe that the man that strapped on a military aircraft is immoral?

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Sigh! Now see right there folks....I knew you couldn't hold back your highly "moral" notions forever. 😉

HP: "Arrogant, entitlement thought, thankfully, outside of the tiny cadre of USAPA folk they are universally mocked and laughed at"

It's indeed refreshing to see your very honest and forthright, and of course, entirely "objective" view on the whole scenario finally made clear.

Whew!...and to think I ever questioned your "sincerity" or even imagined you had some childish "agenda" here.....Just goes to show what a poor judge of "character" I really am 😉

Sorry you can't comprehend much.

Perhaps if you payed attention in school?

Keep babbling, its pretty hilarious. Such undirected anger.

Want to explain how its moral to abrogate your responsibility to live by your binding agreement?

Come on now....show us your great morality!

 

[nic4us]

It is morally unethical to place a new hire senior to a 17 year never furloughed dues paying union member. And NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON OUTSIDE OF THE WEST
disagrees except BB and Trader Jake and of course NIC himself. NIC was pissed that theEast would not cut their own throats . If you boil that down to "yea but you agreed" it is a simpleton point of view.....due an approriate level of consideration.

NICDOA
NPJB

Um...you forgot to say....In MY Humble Opinion when speaking of morality.

And you are wrong about the NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON OUTSIDE THE WEST comment. Actually, there are probably many who think it unfair what happened to that 17 year dues paying, never furloughed, absolute bottom of the seniority list, about to lose his job, pilot had happen to him/her sans merger. Maybe even some think his/her awarded position on the Nic was not "fair". But immoral? Only immoral jerks trying to rationalize stealing jobs from West pilots argue the Nic is immoral.

Oh,and, you are wrong about Nic being pissed at the east, and implying that he somehow showed the east less favorable treatment than had they "cut their throats" (so melodramatic a term for ..um..being reasonable and not being over-demanding a-holes without a clue as to their position) If Nic truely was "pissed" he would have just given the West the very reasonable offer that was the West's first ask, slotting from the top and furlough protection for the bottom of the West list.

 

[EastUS1]

... still is racing in circles to avoid the central point, that of living up to actual signed agreements that you swore you would live up to.

You've now moved from "mostly" to "completely" full of BS. It's now becoming painfully apparent that you must be somewhat lacking in mental horsepower, or just blinded by your little agenda here.

As often noted: I that is, as an individual, myself attached NO signature to any "signed agreements" here, nor do I feel the very slightest compulsion to pretend otherwise, regardless of whether that suits some sad net troll or not. Seriously; Within what alternate universe you can additionally fantasize that I "swore" to "live up to" any such "ageement" must remain a mystery to me.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

What does a 25 year human reasource manager who is about to lose his job have to do with the east pilots who were about to lose theirs?


Oh, and Breeze, you EARNED your position. That was Usairways furloughed. Not My position, that was AWA A320 captain. Sorry, you are not going to steal my job.

I'm not about to lose my job, I'm ok.

The good part? If the company tanks, I have transferable skills and I don't have to be in a stupid seniority placement at a new job...

 

[HPearlyretiree]

As often noted: I that is, as an individual, myself attached NO signature to any "signed agreements" here, nor do I feel the very slightest compulsion to pretend otherwise, regardless of whether that suits some sad net troll or not. Seriously; Within what alternate universe you can additionally fantasize that I "swore" to "live up to" any such "ageement" must remain a mystery to me.

You are in a union, you have no say. Stick together, rah rah rah. Too bad, you made a bad career choice and now you are self loathing. Why don't you call up your union chief and say you want out, and you don't want to pay dues anymore.

LOL

 

[EastUS1]

I have transferable skills and I don't have to be in a stupid seniority placement at a new job...

Me oh MY!....How utterly laughable...that you felt insulted at all by being properly termed a "Pretentious Office Drone"...whilst intruding into a discussion of unionized seniority issues. "I don't have to be in a stupid seniority placement.."

Folks...you just can't make people like this up 😉

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Me oh MY!....How utterly laughable...that you felt insulted at all by being properly termed a "Pretentious Office Drone"

And you say I'm a troll. I've been civil to you, but really, you are just a pr**k.

You deserve all the bad stuff that has befallen you, and caused you to be such an angry troll. Hope you enjoy working for the new USAirways, if not, too bad, go work for a start up with zero seniority, that is what your career has gotten you.

 

[EastUS1]

.... and now you are self loathing.

"You deserve all the bad stuff that has befallen you,.."

Whew!...all the way from incessant, obvious projection to now...what?...outright raving insanity? You'd best back off on whatever you're ingesting buddy 😉

 

[nic4us]

You've now moved from "mostly" to "completely" full of BS. It's now becoming painfully apparent that you must be somewhat lacking in mental horsepower, or just blinded by your little agend here.

As often noted: I that is, as an individual, myself attached NO signature to any "signed agreements" here, nor do I feel the very slightest compulsion to pretend otherwise, regardless of whether that suits some sad net troll or not. Seriously; Within what alternate universe you can additionally fantasize that I "swore" to "live up to" any such "ageement" must remain a mystery to me.

Did you or did you not fill out and sign an ALPA application?

 

[EastUS1]

If so why don't you respect the man that created the Nicolau list? He strapped on a military aircraft and got shot at.

I very much respect Mr. Nicolau's service. Why don't you simply shut up about issues you can't comprehend.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

"You deserve all the bad stuff that has befallen you,.."

Whew!...all the way from incessant, obvious projection to now...what?...outright raving insanity? You'd best back off on whatever you're ingesting buddy 😉

Keep melting down East, you are making quite a funny show tonight.

BTW, what part of Binding Arbitration do you not understand?

I'd tell you to work hard, but you don't have to, you have seniority!

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Why don't you simply shut up about issues you can't comprehend.

Translated to: Oops, I just showed more hypocrisy!

Laugh a minute!