June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fodase]

Does Mckaskill-Bond apply to a merger before the act was passed? Of course not, so how can you ask an arbitrator under Mckaskill-Bond to Merge a group from a prior merger? You can't.

 

[cleardirect]

I agree with you. Personally, I think there should be a exclusive election, with the blessing of USAPA, by the west pilots of a special committee of west pilots to represent west interests in a 3-way.

Let the arbitration panel do their thing, and then it is done. As Parker has pointed out, there is no recourse to a McCaskill-Bond mandated arbitration. Aside from that, I doubt there would be enough support to pursue anything even on the east side.

No redo's. No do overs. There is one list for the us airways pilots. As there is one list for the AA pilots. Those 2 list will be merged into one list.

There is nothing in the usapa C&BL that allow the west a separate committee. There is nothing in NMB or RLA. You east guys wanted to represent all us airways pilots well you got it.

Do you think usapa is just going to hand over $2 million so the west can find hire a merger lawyer and fund a separate merger committee? Who is going to represent the third listers? Do they get their own committee too?

 

[fifidriver]

"Mirror, Mirror on the wall, who's the hottest stick of 1974?"

"Why thee, of course, EastUS."

"Then why won't anyone dogfight me?"

"<sniff> Did thou crapest thy raiment again? Wearest thou thy "G-suit"?

"Now I don't care who you are... That's funny!"

Raiment seems intact, but I just about shot beer out of my nose from laughing so hard! Nice!!!

 

[fifidriver]

Nice spin. Won't work.

Driver...

FYI... (To be perfectly clear... ha ha!)

Clear is technically correct, However, making "config 3" the "standard" landing flap setting was the brainchild of a certain west check airman. Supposedly to save approx 50 lbs of fuel per approach.

 

[EastUS1]

So you are saying the ta is not reality?

Can you bid based on it? Does it determine what position you now hold/can hold?...No again?...Then...reality is clearly something far apart from what you adamantly insist to be the case.

 

[fodase]

Can you bid based on it? Does it determine what position you now hold/can hold?...No again?...Then...reality is clearly something far apart from what you adamantly insist to be the case.

What keeps the nicolau from being used today? what keeps me from bidding my nicolau position?

 

[Freighterguynow]

No redo's. No do overs. There is one list for the us airways pilots. As there is one list for the AA pilots. Those 2 list will be merged into one

The CEO told you 3 times this weeks meeting that his opinion and that of the company lawyers is it will be a 3 way arbitration.

I've no doubt the APA will agree as well. So, 8000 APA, 3500 East and the mgmnt and corporate legal are headed down the 3 way patch. If the West wants to fight it I think you'll really find out what Leonidas reality is.

 

[EastUS1]

What keeps the nicolau from being used today? what keeps me from bidding my nicolau position?

That makes no difference to any discussion of reality, as in; what postion does one hold and what bids are actually possible. THAT defines reality. Any other considerations are just that = considerations that provide interesting discussion...but NOT reality. Your "nicolau position" doesn't exist outside of some pieces of paper. Reality is what you see when you walk out the door to go to work.

 

[fodase]

That makes no difference to any discussion of reality, as in; what postion does one hold and what bids are actually possible. THAT defines reality. Any other considerations are just that = considerations that provide interesting discussion...but NOT reality. Your "nicolau position" doesn't exist outside of some pieces of paper. Reality is what you see when you walk out the door to go to work.

Then you are stupid. It is the TA that keeps us separate, so it indeed is in effect. Only an idiotic verbose buffoon living in a dreamland (usapia) could ignore the undisputable evidence of the ta being in effect.

 

[EastUS1]

Then you are stupid. It is the TA that keeps us separate, so it indeed is in effect. Only an idiotic verbose buffoon living in a dreamland (usapia) could ignore the undisputable evidence of the ta being in effect.

Sigh!...While it's excruciatingly demanding to even attempt to counter such superb subtlety of mind....I'll merely observe that you missed the point entirely.

 

[fifidriver]

Then you are stupid. It is the TA that keeps us separate, so it indeed is in effect. Only an idiotic verbose buffoon living in a dreamland (usapia) could ignore the undisputable evidence of the ta being in effect.

Hey!!!

Just what I need, another aviation acronym: IVB = Idiotic verbose buffoon. I'll add it to my list.

Cheers!

 

[nic4us]

FYI... (To be perfectly clear... ha ha!)

Clear is technically correct, However, making "config 3" the "standard" landing flap setting was the brainchild of a certain west check airman. Supposedly to save approx 50 lbs of fuel per approach.

Got some initials?

 

[fifidriver]

Then you are stupid. It is the TA that keeps us separate, so it indeed is in effect. Only an idiotic verbose buffoon living in a dreamland (usapia) could ignore the undisputable evidence of the ta being in effect.

Note to self...

Add new aviation acronym to list; IVB = Idiotic Verbose Buffoon

 

[EastUS1]

Note to self...

Add new aviation acronym to list; IVB = Idiotic Verbose Buffoon

Make sure you put it on a personal check list, since you can't seem to recall posting the same thought twice within even a two minute period. 😉

 

[nic4us]

The CEO told you 3 times this weeks meeting that his opinion and that of the company lawyers is it will be a 3 way arbitration.

I've no doubt the APA will agree as well. So, 8000 APA, 3500 East and the mgmnt and corporate legal are headed down the 3 way patch. If the West wants to fight it I think you'll really find out what Leonidas reality is.

I will have to watch that again...what I heard Parker say in CLT is "it would be either a 2 way or a 3 way"...then in PHX he said something about a 3 way, but could not explain how you have 2 unions, 2 companies, yet 3 pilot groups, and then he admitted he really does not know how the details work.

I very much doubt the APA will jump on the usapa bandwagon over anything. Also, the company sits at a MB arbitration, so they are not going to stick their necks out either.

So, I am still thinking IF a merger happens, and IF it ends up in arbitration, and IF that happens prior to Silver ruling and/or Silver ruling the company is indeed liable to the West for the provisions of the TA, then the list that will be combined would be APA's and the Nic.

Now IF Silver comes out and says the West is thrown under the bus for the expediency and better good of the 35,000 employees of LCC, well then you will get your 3 way.


Seriously, if I was usapa, I would not even get to an arbitration, I would settle prior, using the Nic and getting as long a fence as I could around a fleet min count. If any usapian had half a brain, that would be the best road to travel.