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Just to end the speculation regarding Easties. Yep. Us West guys are laughing our asses off at you idiots. All you Eastholes shouldn't be allowed to drive a F'in Zamboni let alone and airplane full of innocent people. Way to go! no other group in aviation history has F'd up their careers as much as you guys have. Hummel is trying to protect you from yourselves...so of course you want him recalled...Easties, as a group, are the dumbest MF'ers to ever disgrace the skies.
 
Just to end the speculation regarding Easties. Yep. Us West guys are laughing our asses off at you idiots. All you Eastholes shouldn't be allowed to drive a F'in Zamboni let alone and airplane full of innocent people. Way to go! no other group in aviation history has F'd up their careers as much as you guys have. Hummel is trying to protect you from yourselves...so of course you want him recalled...Easties, as a group, are the dumbest MF'ers to ever disgrace the skies.

Whew!....Most impressive indeed!....I'd certainly hate to even attempt to compete with elegant prose of that order....thankfully; I haven't had to since 4th grade 😉
 
Just to end the speculation regarding Easties. Yep. Us West guys are laughing our asses off at you idiots. All you Eastholes shouldn't be allowed to drive a F'in Zamboni let alone and airplane full of innocent people. Way to go! no other group in aviation history has F'd up their careers as much as you guys have. Hummel is trying to protect you from yourselves...so of course you want him recalled...Easties, as a group, are the dumbest MF'ers to ever disgrace the skies.

I agree....to bad stupid isn't painful!

Reread the recall letter, it has nothing to do with Hummel, in fact, it is in support of the new officers.

And you sit there calling us idiots and cursing us. You're not helping anything.

breeze
 
If Paul Music is elected he will listen to the pilots you say (FA) - fine. What will you tell him to do? What do you want him to do? What is it you think Hummel MAY do which Music needs to stop? Do you want to stop a merger with AA unless the Nic is gone, or DOH is used?

In the last months of his administration Cleary sent overtures to the west seeking a compromise, Ferguson politely declined. Do you think we are in a stronger position today, six months later?

If we have leverage, tell me what it is. I've asked my BPR reps to explain how CoC would be triggered. They have not responded. Feel free to enlighten me.

1984,

Interesting that last few post claim name calling by me when I seldom reference a name in a negative mannor. Also now a hard liner .......hmmm.

Shall I remind you and possibly enlighten a westie why we Easties often squabble. I will use 2 fictitious examples from East list.

Joe Ace : hired age 30 early may 88
4 years aeronautic degree
8 years military to pay for above
Low 2500's on list
F/o 100% of 24 yr career
11 years till retirement

Tony Cronyism : hired age 21 early may 84
3 yrs ramp experience < Clt ramp
C/O 88% of 28 yr career
Wide body captain
16 years till retirement

Do ya reckon maybe Joe has a different perspective / vote than Tony?
Me thinks so!
Do ya think that perhaps Joe has paid his dues on that 1700 bubble between him and Tony?
Me thinks so.
Do ya think he maybe better represents the majority in past votes since USAPA election ?
Me thinks so.

Do ya think Joe just decided recently that because:
1- MC was undiplomatic - so I'm bent over, plz insert gently
2-DP now dangles the carrot he's tempted with (sarcasm)
3-GH will better represent him than MC......his cool aid says disregard the 1600 # bubble and 3 yr 8 mos difference.......after all he was a CHeck Pilot
4-the rights of the westie minority trump the rights of Eastie majority
5-a huge base like Phl doesn't really need a new BPR member to continue his wishes, I will just leave it up to the more intelligent insiders who know what's best for me
6-etc etc etc

Me thinks NOT!

Please vote for Paul, polls close 2pm est tomorrow .

FA








BTW, if our brain trust of a union had a webboard, like ALPA did, like APA does - we could discuss and debate these important but contentious issues without Joe the Plumber chiming in or laughing at us.
 
Bit frustrated with new format learning curve of my last post. Meant to quote 1984 and reply w/o last paragraph. My edit attempts seems futile thus far
 
1984,

Btw, I did not mean to ignore ALL those 1st paragraph questions.
1st several a bit vague and not interested in rambling bout my personal wishes that affect me mostly. As far as AA situation, I have no fantasies of clout individually or collectively .
Believe same for westies as well.
Just not ready to acquiesce to the Nic because some may think it's an overall incentive for a merger to consummate . That's a truly naive pov IMO.

FA
 
1984,

Btw, I did not mean to ignore ALL those 1st paragraph questions.
1st several a bit vague and not interested in rambling bout my personal wishes that affect me mostly. As far as AA situation, I have no fantasies of clout individually or collectively .
Believe same for westies as well.
Just not ready to acquiesce to the Nic because some may think it's an overall incentive for a merger to consummate . That's a truly naive pov IMO.

FA

FA, the west pilots actually do have clout with their DFR potential. So much so that the company was forced to file a DJ. And the admission by the company in testimony that the Niclau is the accepted list makes me think the DJ has no chance of going out way. The only group that has no leverage is us. How would we stop the Niclau if that's what the company said we had to use because of Silvers ruling? Answer is we couldn't. Unless you have another thought? Am I being a weak sister or realist again?
 
I doubt that you are going to get an answer from your reps about CofC. Watch the crew news from CLT. Parker explains it clearly. Also read Hummels letter to Parker where Parker offers to send his lawyer to explain it to the usapa lawyers.

Remember that the lawyer telling usapa that CofC will happen is the same lawyer that said usapa had a good status quo case in NY. That one gone tossed after one hearing. The same lawyer that said there was nothing to worry about in NC and the illegal job action. The case that we now have an injunction hanging over our heads. That is the same lawyer that usapa hired to be our merger lawyer.







How about the ridiculous advice you got in Addington? That helped bankrupt Leonidas. You got nothing but a spanking from the 9th.

I would say that usapa is getting poor legal advice from a lawyer with a very poor track record.
 
Our timing is as usual perfect.



RECALL PHL

TIME FOR CHANGE!






Never!

                   
Dear Philly based pilots:

We are part of a small group of PHL based pilots who have started a recall effort in the PHL domicile to recall PHL domicile Chairman Steve Szpyrka and PHL domicile Vice Chairman Mike Gillies.

www.pilotrecall.com

We believe that the PHL domicile deserves better representation than what we have been getting the past year under the leadership of these 2 reps. We are disappointed that our PHL reps have failed the pilots they represent on many levels.

Communications – We are tired of reading CLT domicile updates.  We are tired of waiting months for PHL updates.  The bulletin board in the PHL crew room is woefully out of date.
Representation – We have received reports of poor representation by these reps in Chief Pilot meetings.  This essential union protection is most important – yet our reps fail to treat it with the importance it demands – protecting the careers of its member pilots.
Pilot interaction – We have learned of many accounts where these reps have failed to answer requests for information.  Responding to your members is a basic function of the job and these reps fail to answer to their constituents.
Oversight – These reps have failed to provide oversight to the National Organization – allowing violations of the C&amp;BL and the UOM.
Censored communications – Chairman Szpyrka has not allowed PHL elected reps to communicate to their members.  This is blatant censorship.
Disrespectful – These reps have been disrespectful to members who disagree with them.
Voting record – These reps have “rubber stamped” failed policies due to politics instead of acting in the best interests of the PHL domicile.
Secret Meetings – We have learned that these reps have engaged in secret meetings with the CLT reps and outgoing Officers to develop strategy to be disruptive and uncooperative for the new Officers entering office.
Unity and Consensus – These reps have failed to work to bring the pilot group together to move forward – in fact their actions have further divided the pilot group.
In the PHL domicile, we have a long history of line pilots and representatives who play an active role in union activities.  We have seen the benefit of timely communications and representatives who advocate for the pilots.  This level of activity has been missing under the leadership of Steve Szpyrka and Mike Gillies

 So how does a recall work?

Step 1:  Petitions supporting the recall must be collected from 25% of the domicile members in good standing.  This must be done and presented to the USAPA Secretary/Treasurer within 120 days of the first dated petition.

Step 2:  Once these petitions from 25% of the domicile are validated, then a recall ballot is sent to the membership of the domicile.

Step 3: If 50% plus 1 vote to recall the representatives, then the representative will be removed from office.

Where are we now? We are in step 1: Collecting petitions to force a recall ballot to be issued.

FAQ

Q. If I turn in a petition, will the representative be recalled?

A. No, it will only count towards getting a recall ballot sent out to the pilots.  Even if you sign a petition, you can still vote against a recall on the ballot.

Q. Who will replace the reps if they are recalled?

A. Replacements will be decided by the PHL pilots through the nomination and election process.  DDR’s will be appointed for the transition.

Q. If I send in a petition, will my name be made public?

A. No, the petitions will be sent to the Secretary/Treasurer and they will be kept confidential.

Please visit our recall website at:

www.pilotrecall.com

Download, print, and sign the recall petitions and mail them to the address below.

Click HERE to download mail-in petition for Steve Szpyrka!

Click HERE to download mail-in petition for Mike Gillies!  

Recall PHL
c/o Thomas
P. O. Box  444
Essington,  PA  19029
If you have any questions, we can be reached at recallphl@gmail.com

One final note: We are members in good standing, and we are exercising our right to initiate this recall effort in the PHL domicile. If you disagree with this recall, we ask that you respect our right, and the rights of other members in good standing, to pursue this endeavor. We believe that the pilots of the PHL domicile have the right to decide if they are getting the best representation available.

Jed Thomas PHL-A330

John Dubarry PHL-7i

Woody Menear
 
Shall I remind you and possibly enlighten a westie why we Easties often squabble. I will use 2 fictitious examples from East list.

Joe Ace : hired age 30 early may 88
4 years aeronautic degree
8 years military to pay for above
Low 2500's on list
F/o 100% of 24 yr career
11 years till retirement

Tony Cronyism : hired age 21 early may 84
3 yrs ramp experience < Clt ramp
C/O 88% of 28 yr career
Wide body captain
16 years till retirement

Do ya reckon maybe Joe has a different perspective / vote than Tony?
Me thinks so!
Do ya think that perhaps Joe has paid his dues on that 1700 bubble between him and Tony?
Me thinks so.
Do ya think he maybe better represents the majority in past votes since USAPA election ?
Me thinks so.

Do ya think Joe just decided recently that because:
1- MC was undiplomatic - so I'm bent over, plz insert gently
2-DP now dangles the carrot he's tempted with (sarcasm)
3-GH will better represent him than MC......his cool aid says disregard the 1600 # bubble and 3 yr 8 mos difference.......after all he was a CHeck Pilot
4-the rights of the westie minority trump the rights of Eastie majority
5-a huge base like Phl doesn't really need a new BPR member to continue his wishes, I will just leave it up to the more intelligent insiders who know what's best for me
6-etc etc etc

Me thinks NOT!

Please vote for Paul, polls close 2pm est tomorrow .

FA
What seems to be the problem? Why are you complaining?

According to the east pilots "values" and "rules" the first guys was hired first and therefore deserves to have everything he has. The second guy can just wait until he has the experience and time on the job before he is entitled to what the first pilots has.

Are you complaining that DOH/LOS does not represent a fair way to divide the benefits of an airline?

If you want to compare careers how about these two.

West pilot line holding captain 540 out of 1850, 29% of the list. DOB 6/47, DOH 10/89
East pilot furloughed F/O 540 number below active pilots. 117% of the list. DOB 5/62, DOH 10/89
Now east pilots think that it is somehow your birthright and are entitled to be senior to the west captain.
 
Great work luv. 0 for 2 using quote tags and 0 for 2 for getting any intelligent thought across.

And AoL is alive and well.


Wow, only 5.5 years of the Nicolau. Another day goes by, no Nicolau. Another day. No move to CLT.................
 
FA, the west pilots actually do have clout with their DFR potential. So much so that the company was forced to file a DJ. And the admission by the company in testimony that the Niclau is the accepted list makes me think the DJ has no chance of going out way. The only group that has no leverage is us. How would we stop the Niclau if that's what the company said we had to use because of Silvers ruling? Answer is we couldn't. Unless you have another thought? Am I being a weak sister or realist again?

Well, "what we have here is a failure to communicate".

When the merger went down the West said, this is our management, we have experience dealing with them, how about we take a larger roll in negotiating a joint contract. Due to a cascade of events, particularly the publishing of the NIc, the West was increasingly pushed out of the room. Obviously, the east had no idea of their position, their leverage, who they were dealing with, and an over inflated sense of control.

Now here we are with the east run usapa that would be completely sitting on the sidelines had not a recent election taken place, still throwing out stupid BS like the COC gives them leverage against the company and control and say in an AMR merger. Meanwhile, the West has positioned itself to actually have a say about the state of things going forward.

Without casting blame, or pointing out all of usapa's failures, let me say this. usapa does have some control if they would step back, asses their true position and use that to their advantage. usapa is the certified bargaining agent for 5400 LCC pilots. When they figure out how to actually represent all 5400 pilots, and not just the 3400 east pilots still cryin over the Nic, they will get their say.

"still shakin it boss".
 
Just to end the speculation regarding Easties. Yep. Us West guys are laughing our asses off at you idiots. All you Eastholes shouldn't be allowed to drive a F'in Zamboni let alone and airplane full of innocent people. Way to go! no other group in aviation history has F'd up their careers as much as you guys have. Hummel is trying to protect you from yourselves...so of course you want him recalled...Easties, as a group, are the dumbest MF'ers to ever disgrace the skies.

At least we had careers to f'up. We didn't get hired by the lowest common denominator and call it a career....ore even a job. Remember, we have had compensation in the gutter for less than ten years. Yours was a crap heap from the git-go and never got anywhere near where we were for decades.
 
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