June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[OTTER574]

You have an ATP. If a Harvard business lawyer told you how to land you would laugh.

If a certain pilot(s) don't understand AB/TOGA logic, they may splash down in the HUDSON with an engine still turning and burning.

OTTER

 

[OTTER574]

I would assume the current TA would become null and void, (similar to a mariage that gets anulled when it hasent been consumated) (that means, never slept together for the "lay people").

Kinda like never having a combined seniority list, and not flying together.

And on your other point, I dont think you wil find a whole lot of worry over the loss of USAPA anywhere. It will have succeded just fine from theperspective of a majority of Usairways pilots.

Kinda like a great girlfriend, there when you need her to take care of you, but its time to move on to more permanent things....APA comes to mind... )

I don't buy off on YOUR very SLICK OPINION, but it really doesn't count does it?

FEDERAL COURTS of LAW DO and hope you're in agreement.

Places a Company/Corporation and a CORRUPT UNION don't like to be, explaining themselves in regards to my contract/TA.

OTTER

 

[Black Swan]

When was the last time the American pilots went to any form of arbitration? Air Cal? Reno? TWA? What makes anyone think AA pilots will now let things go to the point of an arbitration when they have a history of resolving things their own way. I suspect they will most likely work an agreement that has significant fences and protections that everyone can live with before they roll the dice on arbitration. The easiest way to do that is to work a decent deal, with the largest percentage of pilots they can, and that most likely would be more advantageous to the East. "That said, as also noted in US Airways prior briefs, the case law makes clear that either party can propose amendments to the binding Transition Agreement pursuant to the terms of that Agreement and Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act- so long as the amendments are consistent with USAPA s DFR to the West Pilots. The question to be resolved by this Court is whether the amendment to the Transition Agreement that USAPA is constitutionally bound to require is, or is not, consistent with its' DFR."

 

[Black Swan]

If a certain pilot(s) don't understand AB/TOGA logic, they may splash down in the HUDSON with an engine still turning and burning.

OTTER

LAME, as well as totally in disagreement with NTSB findings.

 

[Ames]

Works for me, especially since I've NEVER had much use for "YOU and your kind" in any operational sense, or...well...really just at any point in my life 😉.

....Except when your company and your job were rescued from oblivion by AWA, but I digress......

 

[Ames]

The new TA between the company, APA and USAPA will shortly supersede the old TA, thereby killing the Nicolau.

Hey, if you say it enough times it may come true. Your merger committee did that with DOH.

The endgame is here and the courts will soon decide. I would advise you to stay away from any sharp objects on that day.

 

[Ames]

luvthe9 must have been at the CLT crew news filming from his reaction. A lot of the east guys and gals seem to have figured it out there when Parker pretty much laid out the facts. Have to give it to Parker, he played the east for years by not laying the truth hard on them about the Nic. and he knew the truth all along. He let them blow all that money, and acted like he didn't have a clue. He knew all along, as legal gave him the facts years ago. He just let the east spin out of control and money. This DOH thing is totally winding out of steam. The American deal will totally deflate it. One can almost feel sorry for all the east people, who listened to the wrong people all along. Their MEC at Wye River especially, after they were told by ALPA legal quite clearly.

I had fun changing a few words in luvthe9's post. Funny how appropriate his/my words are.

 

[Pi brat]

If a certain pilot(s) don't understand AB/TOGA logic, they may splash down in the HUDSON with an engine still turning and burning.

OTTER

Have you read the NTSB report on 1549?

 

[Ames]

im back,

Excellent post!
If ANY common sense prevails in sli, much if not all you predict will come to be.

FA

That makes you both fools.

 

[Ames]

This entire Nic thing is rapidly drawing down. Parker has seen to that. He knows he needs to deflate the West folks now that the merger is coming on. He cleared the smoke in that crew news about Nic. You guys now need to listen to him, and work on a good deal for yourselves that is acceptable. The Nic was stupid and you should have known what reaction it would make. ALPA even warned you off but Johnny Mac had to go and press his luck.

I think we'll just take our chances on Judge Silver and the fact that the law is on our side. Oh, and the fact that the company and APA want this merger to go through unobstructed. Anything other than the Nic list passed to APA will cause a serious obstruction. IOW: We ain't backing down.

 

[Pi brat]

LAME, as well as totally in disagreement with NTSB findings.

You are being too kind. Here OTTER, let me give you one little snippet then you can go educate yourself:

7.
If the accident engines’ electronic control system had been capable of informing the flight crewmembers about the continuing operational status of the engines, they would have been aware that thrust could not be restored and would not have spent valuable time trying to relight the engines, which were too damaged for any pilot action to make operational.

Any pilot but OTTER that is. I flew a month with Sully and I can assure you he knew the A320.

 

[Ames]

Luv's BS is rapidly drawing down. Being wrong so many times and with USAPA begging to be included at the table, it's obvious Parker is going to use the Nic as its the path of least resistance.

Kasher didnt pay and Parker will use the Nic.

Luv's BS will never draw down. He won't admit when he's wrong, still doesn't realize that Kasher didn't pay and will be squawking about DOH long after he is placed on the APA seniority list under Nicolau.

 

[Ames]

Today, ALPA recognises that its SLI process was flawed and has amended that process... Just as congress has recognized such flaws and have amended the process where differences are irreconcilable.

Oh, and is alpa merger policy now the "gold standard"? Who knew?

 

[Ames]

LOA93, no snapbacks, no 3%, no MDA, no DOH...

Who got hurt here?

...and who gave money to incompetent lawyers?

 

[john john]

Hear that there was some news in the PBGC case. Some new info has surface