June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Well, we all have opinions. Mine is that it isn't all about West captains. How about an East F/O with 18yrs going behind new hires and every single AWA pilot just because he was furloughed. And now that furloughed F/O now can hold the A 330 right seat. Is that fair to throw every one of them under the entire list, including NEW HIRES? That is how you got the revolt. The entire list of F/O's with up to 18 yrs going under new hires. Massive error, and it cost you the Nic. You should have tried to fix that one at WYE, it cost you the entire Nic. And you think there will not be an appeal to the 9th should Silver rule contrary? We will do it on our own. Guaranteed, outside USAPA if USAPA doesn't.

The only reason those furloughed pilots are back and sitting in the 330 is because of the merger and decision made by Parker and the delay by usapa.

When judge Silver rules it is the Nicolau. Who is going to appeal and how are they going to pay for it? Usapa will be GONE! I doubt your lawyer will do it for free and there will be no one with standing. Dream on if you think the APA will appeal.

I have not seen a single person with the leadership ability to pull off an AOL type organization based on donations. After all the pension committee is untrustworth overspending. The appeal board is unethical. Cleary was crazy.you guys going to trust anyone with that kind of money?

 

[luvthe9]

The only reason those furloughed pilots are back and sitting in the 330 is because of the merger and decision made by Parker and the delay by usapa.

When judge Silver rules it is the Nicolau. Who is going to appeal and how are they going to pay for it? Usapa will be GONE! I doubt your lawyer will do it for free and there will be no one with standing. Dream on if you think the APA will appeal.

I have not seen a single person with the leadership ability to pull off an AOL type organization based on donations. After all the pension committee is untrustworth overspending. The appeal board is unethical. Cleary was crazy.you guys going to trust anyone with that kind of money?

I love how you continue to underestimate everybody. I bet you were saying the same about USAPA not having a chance before the rug got yanked right out from under your confident swagger. You continue to see Cleary from your crazed anger. We see him as the guy who kept the Nic out
the entire duration of his term, and took the appeal of Addington right to the 9th. So your opinion, is just that. And we all have them. Now there is a pretty good shot at a merger, Kirby and Parker pretty much flat out saying it will be a three way merge. There is no joint contract, no Nic. So the chances are pretty good Cleary will be seen as the one that took us into a merge with AA without Nic. So he has good standing with many of us. That is a great idea about him leading an appeal if there is need. I will give him a call and see if he is willing as a plan B if needed. See, even you are a smart guy! :blush:

 

[OTTER574]

I love how you continue to underestimate everybody. I bet you were saying the same about USAPA not having a chance before the rug got yanked right out from under your confident swagger. You continue to see Cleary from your crazed anger. We see him as the guy who kept the Nic out
the entire duration of his term, and took the appeal of Addington right to the 9th. So your opinion, is just that. And we all have them. Now there is a pretty good shot at a merger, Kirby and Parker pretty much flat out saying it will be a three way merge. There is no joint contract, no Nic. So the chances are pretty good Cleary will be seen as the one that took us into a merge with AA without Nic. So he has good standing with many of us. That is a great idea about him leading an appeal if there is need. I will give him a call and see if he is willing as a plan B if needed. See, even you are a smart guy! :blush:

Polish up/hold out your tin cup as I told eastus1 to do not long ago. If this merger goes through, usapa will no longer EXIST as a CBA.

Good luck with your endeavors without the CORRUPT usapassss's funding IT!

OTTER

 

[CaptChill]

And....they can't do DOH....well, not without losing boatloads of cash for colluding with the scabs.

It really is that simple!

You all have been crowing that USAPA doesn't even have a seat at the table, yet, should APA decide to go DOH, how in the hell can you call it collusion?

 

[Res Judicata]

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1. To end the employment or service of; discharge.​

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You have nothing to worry about then.....right? LOL!!

 

[cleardirect]

You all have been crowing that USAPA doesn't even have a seat at the table, yet, should APA decide to go DOH, how in the hell can you call it collusion?

Why would APA use DOH? It does not benefit them. They have been thought the merger with the old guys and they stapled them. Another group of old guy no problem. Just have to use M/B.

Besides if APA agreed to DOH they would have the TWA guys all up in their business. You do know the TWA guys filed a law suit against APA last week right?

No old guys APA wants nothing to do with DOH.

 

[luvthe9]

The only reason those furloughed pilots are back and sitting in the 330 is because of the merger and decision made by Parker and the delay by usapa.

When judge Silver rules it is the Nicolau. Who is going to appeal and how are they going to pay for it? Usapa will be GONE! I doubt your lawyer will do it for free and there will be no one with standing. Dream on if you think the APA will appeal.

I have not seen a single person with the leadership ability to pull off an AOL type organization based on donations. After all the pension committee is untrustworth overspending. The appeal board is unethical. Cleary was crazy.you guys going to trust anyone with that kind of money?

Smartest Guy in The Room- You are right, no East group could unseat ALPA, OOPS! The very core of the entire issue, the dumping of ALPA and thwarting the Nic. All done by a bunch of East guys, one of them the Exec VP. Won't happen will it........

 

[luvthe9]

Why would APA use DOH? It does not benefit them. They have been thought the merger with the old guys and they stapled them. Another group of old guy no problem. Just have to use M/B.

Besides if APA agreed to DOH they would have the TWA guys all up in their business. You do know the TWA guys filed a law suit against APA last week right?

No old guys APA wants nothing to do with DOH.

Yeah, they want a bunch of young guys ahead of their furloughed guys. You are right. They have everything in the world to benefit from putting guys with the longest possible time to work at their airline right up front there. Glad you figured it out. You are right on top today!

 

[cleardirect]

Yeah, they want a bunch of young guys ahead of their furloughed guys. You are right. They have everything in the world to benefit from putting guys with the longest possible time to work at their airline right up front there. Glad you figured it out. You are right on top today!

You keep the fantasy alive. Disappointment is a ####. Savor it.

 

[luvthe9]

You keep the fantasy alive. Disappointment is a ####. Savor it.

You are clueless on them wanting your group up there with the longest time left to fly. They want you as far down as possible so they can take care of their own guys. And DOH is the best way to make it happen looking at the list. DOH clears the East group out of the way the quickest. Putting the guys with the least amount of time left on the property on the bottom is a total waste for them. The Nic is the worst possible outcome for an AA pilot. And they know it.

 

[Move2CLT]

Here you go Move. This is just too easy. Let's quote the 9th, instead of some internet harpie......



CONCLUSION
[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.


So a dismissal is now a win? :blush: Come on kids, you are losing a grip on things! By the way, did you buy the Davidson place yet? That reverse commute is a buster!

Tell us the difference between ripeness and merit and the effect each has on Addington. And then explain why the company and Silver referenced Addington after its dismissal.

You may have to burn a brain cell here luv.

 

[OTTER574]

You all have been crowing that USAPA doesn't even have a seat at the table, yet, should APA decide to go DOH, how in the hell can you call it collusion?

In your world, can you understand, usapa may not exist in the near future? Are you willing to fund your illegal quest going forward?

I've a mechanism in place (known as AOL) to sue the current cba now called usapa or any other cba. (alpa, usapa, apa, lcc/company, ect) If they don't enforce and honor my TA with a joint contract with THE COMPANY of which I paid for and I am entitled to....

Your like sitting on the fence/I voted for alpa buttttt pi brat stated earlier...word's to the effect....it's all about meeeeeee, because I have gained at someone else's expense and go along/agree with usapassss's CORRUPTION!

Hopefully soon, the wicked witches of the east will be DEAD known as usapa and supporters of such easties union corruption.

OTTER

 

[luvthe9]

Tell us the difference between ripeness and merit and the effect each has on Addington. And then explain why the company and Silver referenced Addington after its dismissal.

You may have to burn a brain cell here luv.

You are the genius that declared Addington a WIN after it was DISMISSED. Just because a judge referenced ripeness means nothing. Same with the company. Reference away. We all know what the 9th said, and they get the last word. Addington was dismissed. That means a lot more than a reference. She could reference her hemorrhoids. That doesn't mean she will rule on them.

 

[Move2CLT]

Wait a minute- you blew 2 million on something that had no business being before the court in the first place and that is not a waste of money? Then the MAJORITY said you might never have a case of harm? And you paid to have them say that when the entire issue was not commented on yet? You kids are really losing sight of reality. That was a DEBACLE! At least Silver knows what is coming her way if she screws with this case again like Wake.
Everybody now knows where the 9th will go should the opportunity present itself again. You guys will never get the Nic. The 9th made that one perfectly clear, but it sure is entertaining watching the lawyers take you for another ride!

Wait a minute, you....

...voted in USAPA to get DOH and that failed.
...promised everyone a contract in 90 days and that failed
....promised to put LOA93 to bed - still here
....promised snapbacks - fail
...told MDA would crush the Nic - nope
...told the PIC would come through - nope

etc, etc.

Talk about debacles. You easties wrote the book on it.

Etc

 

[OTTER574]

You are the genius that declared Addington a WIN after it was DISMISSED. Just because a judge referenced ripeness means nothing. Same with the company. Reference away. We all know what the 9th said, and they get the last word. Addington was dismissed. That means a lot more than a reference. She could reference her hemorrhoids. That doesn't mean she will rule on them.

You're getting much more stupid, much more by the your posts/remarks...

But hey, at least you've LOA93/doh/known as DOA to present currently.....As huge laughter fills the room with your POSSIBLE new CBA called APA. Company lawyers will be present going forward with any SLI.....

usapa will be DEAD if this happens...have you heard this too??? I'm curious who will be my/our CBA?

OTTER