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AA is also temporarily reducing their LAX-NRT flight to 5 days per week during the winter, after cancelling JFK-NRT. LAX-HND is already served by 2 airlines - but AA's schedule does allow connections at HND to Asia... but not the other way around.
Existing HND service from the US (including HNL) has average fares well below average fares to NRT from the same city.
Existing HND service from the US (including HNL) has average fares well below average fares to NRT from the same city.
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Yes, I know. But AA's revenues in Japan are shrinking as they face increased pressure at NRT. So far, NRT flights still deliver far more revenue than corresponding HND flights.
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Sorry if you find such facts uncomfortable - but they are real. And it doesn't change that AA has yet to turn the corner w/ respect to having a viable presence in Asia despite the comments we heard that the JAL JV would make a significant difference in AA's ability to compete in Asia.
That hasn't happened... and this is precisely the time to be talking honestly about the challenges AA faces esp. in light of a merger that won't do anything to help AA in Asia.
The company won't tell you how any of AA's routes are doing - but that is information that AA's people have a right to know... and it shouldn't come as a surprise given that AA has not operated HND continuously - just like DL has done with DTW-HND - but has also pulled down NRT service.
That hasn't happened... and this is precisely the time to be talking honestly about the challenges AA faces esp. in light of a merger that won't do anything to help AA in Asia.
The company won't tell you how any of AA's routes are doing - but that is information that AA's people have a right to know... and it shouldn't come as a surprise given that AA has not operated HND continuously - just like DL has done with DTW-HND - but has also pulled down NRT service.
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I didn't say that.
There are people who have validated that the information I provide is important to them. I'm sorry if you don't. But it is real - and I don't understand the mindset of anyone who doesn't want to be honest with the truth.
Tell me what kind of response you expected from your post? All applause and nothing negative - devoid of reality?
There are people who have validated that the information I provide is important to them. I'm sorry if you don't. But it is real - and I don't understand the mindset of anyone who doesn't want to be honest with the truth.
Tell me what kind of response you expected from your post? All applause and nothing negative - devoid of reality?
With Open Skies to/from Japan (subject to NRT and HND slot issues), I would expect fares to decline. Have fares to/from LHR declined since the Open Skies treaty went into effect in early 2008?
LAX-HND makes more sense than ORD or DFW given that LAX is an online connection for almost the entire country (except for the Pacfic NW). Isn't that part of the problem that DL faced with DTW? It's a great hub but for people west of the Mississippi, it's not an efficient connection.
LAX-HND makes more sense than ORD or DFW given that LAX is an online connection for almost the entire country (except for the Pacfic NW). Isn't that part of the problem that DL faced with DTW? It's a great hub but for people west of the Mississippi, it's not an efficient connection.
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Most everyone has grown tired of your facts , truths , and above all you'r speculation . Please give DL a rest on here ...it's gone beyond creepy!
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I'm sorry but the conversation is not about DL and I haven't mentioned DL in this post.
This post is presumably about an opportunity which Mikey was excited about - and I certainly don't want to dampen his enthusiasm.
But the simple fact is that AA does not have a viable presence in the Pacific and is losing ground in Japan despite the JV.
Given that HND flights have not for any carrier proven to be a viable alternative to comparable NRT flights, I am simply noting that there is no reason to believe this flight will deliver any profitability to AA anytime soon.
I'm sorry if you aren't interested in this kind of information but it is real and there are people who find it of interest.
actually, average fares have not declined in either LHR or Japan post Open Skies. Share shifted at LHR from incumbents AA and UA to the new carriers but fares are pretty much flat.
In Japan, fares are up quite a lot... but Asia's economy has been thru alot of changes over the years and the reasons may or may not be valid.
Passengers in both markets are up about the same 15%.
The problem w/ HND is primarily slot driven - a result of the Japanese government's fear that NRT will become obsolete if too many int'l flights are allowed into HND - as well as an attempt to protect Japanese carriers who have an advantage at HND - but are unable to efficiently connect it to their transpac networks.
The implications for AA are that, short of significantly improved slot times, there is little reason to believe that they will fare any better on LAX-HND than any other carrier has to HND.
DL decided it wasn't realistic to continue to operate a flight that might one day become profitable and said if they could not move the flight to SEA, they would consent to a rebid.
Note also that AA, in the initial requests from DL to move the DTW flight to SEA said that AA did not object to DL's request to move the flight if AA also had the freedom to move the JFK-HND flight where it could produce better results. If AA was satisfied w/ JFK-HND, I don't think they would be asking to be able to move the flight.
UA and HA both were more aggressive in their filings with the DOT, arguing that the slot should be rebid - which is what the DOT is doing.
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correct... assuming that AA wins the route.
ANA and DL operate LAX-HND.
JL operates SFO-HND and UA wants to fly that route too.
HA operates HNL-HND and wants KOA. JL also flies HNL-NRT, IIRC.
DL operates but is terminating DTW-HND (thus this route case) and wants SEA.
AA operates JFK-HND.
The original thinking of the DOT was that AA and UA both had access to HND via their JV partners. DL and HA do not have JV partners in Japan.
UA-NH have 2 US-HND routes as did DL. AA-JL have 3. HA has one.
IMO, granting HA its HND slots so that it can fly Japanese tourists on holiday to Hawai'i was a massive waste of scarce resources - HND slots. Better to give that slot to DL or UA than reward a carrier that could have accomplished its goals by seeking NRT slots instead. Sort of like the situation when NW sought more China frequencies and UA, AA and CO all screamed that NW should not be in line to get more scarce China frequencies until it began using its flexible China rights nonstop from the mainland instead of NRT-China.
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